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Author Topic:   What is beyond the reach of science?
Dogmafood
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Message 1 of 13 (573571)
08-11-2010 10:54 PM


After reading some recent posts I was reminded of something my father told me. He said " Watch out for the true believers, they are always blind to something." I always thought that he was referring to the vehement theists but I am wondering if it doesnt apply in a more general sense.
I am not a theist, at least not by any definition that I have seen. A couple of years ago a cousin of mine died. I had a box of old cigarette packs that were covered in notes that he had kept. Things like how much he had to drink, how much he had smoked. I was cleaning up one day and threw the box on the fire. Clear as a bell I hear his voice saying "Hey, dont do that". It freaked me out because it didnt make sense. It didnt and doesnt fit with the way I KNOW that the universe works.
Is my 'faith' in the scientific method blinding me to something?
Is there anything beyond the grasp of the scientific method? Will it eventually provide the correct answer for any question?
I am not sure where these questions belong and please excuse my pedestrian mind for wandering out onto the highway.
Edited by Dogmafood, : Changed title/clarification

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Dogmafood
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Message 2 of 13 (573573)
08-11-2010 11:12 PM
Reply to: Message 1 by Dogmafood
08-11-2010 10:54 PM


Removed.
Edited by Dogmafood, : Irrelevant.

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Dogmafood
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Message 4 of 13 (573880)
08-12-2010 11:00 PM
Reply to: Message 3 by AdminPD
08-12-2010 7:19 AM


Re: Rather Muddled
Of course its muddled. Thats where the questions come from. You have to see it more as a cloud of thought rather than a train.
OK. I changed the title and did some heavy editing.
Edited by AdminPD, : Rendered Invisible PNT Discussion - Unnecessary for Thread

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Dogmafood
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Message 8 of 13 (573965)
08-13-2010 10:11 AM
Reply to: Message 7 by nwr
08-13-2010 8:58 AM


You should not be depending on faith here. The scientific method works mainly because it is based on skeptical observation, rather than faith.
I dont have the intellectual capacity or the time to vet every bit of scientific observation. I accept that the scientific method is sound and that the scientific community does its due diligence. Isnt this faith?
There are certainly questions that science has not yet settled, and perhaps may never settle. The mandate for science is to investigate what it can, and follow the evidence.
I understand that we dont have all of the answers yet but are we not on the road to omniscience?
There's no requirement that it answer everything.
Isnt there? If I could prove that there was a quantity but that it was unknowable isnt this injurious to the scientific method?

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Dogmafood
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Message 9 of 13 (573966)
08-13-2010 10:16 AM
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08-13-2010 7:39 AM


Who is the better music composer? Mozart, Beethoven, Rossini? Soft Cheese or Hard Cheese? Tastes Great? Should Shatner have played up the Latin and not split an infinitive in "To boldly go...' or should he have stuck to the wording which splits it to allow for a more poetic delivery with the stresses in the most assertive/bold places?
I think all of these questions could be answered if the objective parameters could be established.

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Dogmafood
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Message 12 of 13 (574091)
08-14-2010 12:02 AM


There is alot for me to digest here. I should have taken AdminPD's advice more to heart when s/he suggested that I clarify my OP.
This question is like a splinter in my mind. I ll leave it for a while and consider again what it is that I am trying to get at.

  
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