Evidence for the Biblical Record

SourceThe map I am looking at shows a depth of over 545 m(1788 ft to us americans) off the coast of Nuweiba. There is nothing anywhere about a land-bridge, except on the websites pushing this lunacy. None of them provide any evidence except their own assertions or the assertions of Wyatt.Or are the Saudi's suppressing that information too?

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When are you going to realize(or admit) that ifs and maybes are not evidence? They are conjectures, nothing else. You give us all these assertions by people that have been shown to be liars and frauds, and now you say if and maybe.Why don't you just cut your losses and admit there is NO evidence for this scenario?

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According to the map I have, there are. But whether we are talking 800m or 500m, neither can be called shallow.Also, no where in the gulf is there a gentle slope to the bottom of the gulf.

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So since I live in Wisconsin, you would say I live close New York City.
Well relative to London at least.You really are not going to let any facts intrude into your beliefs are you."Don't confuse me with the facts, my mind is made up"It may be good for you to at least entertain the fact that some of the things you think are true are not. There are people that know more than you. As I can see a lot of people.

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In the words of Monty Python
You Sir are a loony.You still don't understand that tricky word do you.Evidence.Maybe you should look it up.

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I prefer to stay on topic myself.
You might want to give it a try sometime. I realize that would go against everything you have done in the past, but it works for the rest of us.

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Depends which one you ask. There does not seem to be a consensus, but I believe the 18th dynasty has to be frontrunner.Wikipedia has a good overview.
The Exodus - WikipediaAs you can see from the Albright's Late Exodus theory being discredited, Ramesses is too late. This is one of the glaring inconsistencies in the bible. The first Ramesses was the 19th dynasty.

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I have been to Tel Dan. And have actually been to more than couple archaeological site in Israel. (must be a little disturbing to Hyro that a person supportive of Israel is also knowledgeable about weapons.There is a lot of controversy over the meaning of the stela.
Tel Dan stele - Wikipedia

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I know Anson Rainey but I disagree with the following

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As the native american culture was an oral culture, there was a lot of change to the stories and myths through the generations. Christianity has had a large influence on the stories and cultures of the native americans. Remember there has been contact between christian sailors and fisherman with native cultures since approx 1500. Modern scholarship puts pre columbian native population in the Americas at 50-100 millions. The vast die out after contact changed their stories and also made them more susceptible to influences from the Europeans.The Cree can easily be documented as having influences from christian missionaries. Missionaries invented their writing systems. It seems much more realistic to see the influence christianity was post Columbus than it would be to think that there was some sort of biblical influence pre-columbian. Catholic Encyclopedia

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When first known to the Jesuit missionaries, about the year 1650...
The earliest missionaries in the Cree country were the French Jesuits, who accompanied the commander Verendrye in his explorations of the Saskatchewan and Missouri River region from 1731 to 1742.

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This is an assertion that is almost laughable. There are no premissionary historical documents. Love to see them. Would be a hell of a find. Who wrote this supposed documents? Even if there were some sort of premissionary documents, they are not pre-european influence documents.Lets look at your assertion that there are documents that predate christian missionaries. You are Canadian right? Do you know who the first Europeans in most of Canada were? The Jesuits. A lot of times they preceded the voyageurs. What do you think the first stories that were exchanged between the Catholic Voyageurs and missionaries and the natives were? Bible stories and native myths.The first writings documenting contacts with the native tribes were from the Jesuits. A great overview of these isThe Jesuit Relations. As a college student I spent many hours reading these. Fascinating, but ultimately disturbing as I began to understand the ultimate goal of the Jesuits and the Europeans. The destruction of the native cultures and people. Well it seems you have provided evidence that shows the Biblical flood is just a copy of the Sumerian myth that predates it.I am amazed that you can take the similarities and derive a relationship, but all differences you can just excuse.How else would a myth explain the continuation of life after a worldwide flood? A boat would be needed, breeding stock would be needed. Why wouldn't they? Dove are not limited to Mideast. As a matter of fact I hope to see them back here in northern Wisconsin any day now.

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Pigeons and doves are distributed everywhere on Earth,except for the driest areas of the Sahara Desert, Antarctica and its surrounding islands and the high Arctic.

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Shows me that this is questionable. The Cree were not one of the first tribes that the Jesuits were in contact with. Your whole story seems a little questionable. Especially how you seem to remember a later version. But put that all to rest and show us the real documentation. I really do not care whether his teacher supported the conclusion. Unless you can provide some sort of documents this is purely a baseless assertion.Do you have access to these documents? Any chance you could tell us what they were? I am not going to just trust your interpretation. If you are going to claim such documents exist, please provide info on the docs.As I said in my original post. There were contacts between the native americans and europeans since approx 1500. The first written docs come from a much later period. Because there is NO evidence to show that they are related. All you have is unfounded suppositions. You want us to believe they are related. There are some similarities and many discrepancies. What is the logical conclusion without any supporting evidence? Your ignorance does not make things any less real. The mourning dove and the passenger pigeon were very important creatures in native culture. They were a very important foodstock. The passenger pigeon was hunted to extinction and the mourning dove is still heavily hunted today.
Mourning dove - Wikipedia

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References to Mourning Doves appear frequently in Native American literature.

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Maybe you should just let this die. You arent helping your cause any.

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You have presented no evidence that it is the Cree we are talking about. All have is a story someone told you about research they did.
The story would only have validity if it was one of the first tribes that came into contact with the Europeans. If this is a Cree story the validity is a lot less.Let me explain why. The tribes that the Europeans had "official" contact with later, were influenced by the Europeans well before the "official" contact. There were traders and missionaries out and about way before things were documented. Also, trade was a big part of the native culture, with trade comes the exchange of stories. You cannot make a supposition that whatever original story there is was not influenced at all by Europeans. The first documentation of native stories was well after first contact with european people, goods and influence.Also, I have issues with your maps. The Sibley Field Guide to Birds has a bit farther northern range for the Mourning Dove. If you look at the range for the Passenger Pigeon you will see it extends farther north then the range for the Mourning Dove.
Your other map is not even a map showing where the Cree lived. Look at it again. It is a map of

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Linguistic subdivisions in Canada

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Modern day linguistic subdivisions, not traditional home land.
IN the Wiki article it states.

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Traditionally, the southern limits of the Cree Territory in the United States were the Missouri River and the Milk River in Montana.

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Try this.

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Until confined to reservations their various bands held most of the extensive territory about Lakes Winnipeg and Manitoba, the lower Red and Saskatchewan, and eastward to the country of the Maskegon about Hudson Bay, from whom they are hardly to be distinguished. Most of their former territory is now included in the Canadian provinces of Manitoba, Assiniboia, and Saskatchewan. Their chief alliance was with the Assiniboin; their wars were with the Sioux, Blackfeet, and northern Tinneh tribes. With both French and English they have generally been on friendly terms. When first known to the Jesuit missionaries, about the year 1650, the Cree lived farther to the south-east, but, on obtaining firearms from the English trading posts established on Hudson Bay some twenty years later, they pushed out into the open plains in search of buffalo.

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Farther to the south-east would be what? Great Lakes area maybe. What is thought as the traditional home of most tribes is not where they lived prior to and during the first centuries of European contact. Lots of tribes were forced west and north by contact with Europeans. European goods also gave them the ability to compete with the tribes north and west that had less contact with the Europeans.Do you want to try round 4? Or Are you willing to give up this attempt to pursue a bad argument.Again I suggest you give up this line of argument.

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You will get the same responses I get to this question. Usually silence, but some will try bringing up 2nd and 3rd century sources. Evangelicals and Fundies evidently have trouble understanding the terms contemporary and extra-biblical.

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And not surprisingly, when he was called on to prevent this evidence he completely ignored the request. I have yet to see him support anything he has said. Even when he refers to the bible it is necessary to look at the passages, because as of yet I don't think any of them say what he claims they say.

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