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Author Topic:   Obama supports Ground Zero mosque. Religious freedom or is he being too PC?
Dr Jack
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Message 16 of 406 (574306)
08-15-2010 10:15 AM
Reply to: Message 15 by slevesque
08-15-2010 10:02 AM


Terrorist Muslims are terrorists (rightly or wrongly) because of their muslim beliefs.
Are they bollocks.
If that was true there'd be a billion little suicide bombers kicking around. They're no more terrorists because they're Muslims than the IRA were terrorists because they're Catholic.

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Message 17 of 406 (574307)
08-15-2010 10:15 AM
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08-15-2010 8:14 AM


It's an insulting gesture to many Americans, something akin to:
1. Building a statue of Hitler at Auschwitz
2. Building a GWB monument in Bagdad
3. Building a Benihana at Pearl Harbor
There are already Mosques within blocks of ground zero.
The comparisons are nothing like a mosque. That Godwin needs no explanation. Neither should the War criminal. Last I heard GWB had no been raised to godhood yet.
There is a Japanese restaurant that practically overlooks Pearl Harbor.
Though not your material, you used it. The material is not relevant and as we can see not even accurate.
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Should we ban christian churches from around the Murrah building too?
Edited by Theodoric, : Forgot point

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Message 18 of 406 (574308)
08-15-2010 10:17 AM
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08-15-2010 10:02 AM


Terrorist Christians are terrorists (rightly or wrongly) because of their Christian beliefs.
Neither has anything to do with the fact that in the US, Freedom of Religion is assured under our Constitution.

Anyone so limited that they can only spell a word one way is severely handicapped!

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Message 19 of 406 (574309)
08-15-2010 10:17 AM
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08-15-2010 10:02 AM


slevesque writes:
Pedophile priests aren't pedophile because of their christian beliefs.
Really?
Marc 10:13-16:
quote:
And they brought young children to him, that he should touch them: and his disciples rebuked those that brought them.
But when Jesus saw it, he was much displeased, and said unto them, Suffer the little children to come unto me, and forbid them not: for of such is the kingdom of God.
Verily I say unto you, Whosoever shall not receive the kingdom of God as a little child, he shall not enter therein.
And he took them up in his arms, put his hands upon them, and blessed them.
Seems like Jesus is saying that "touching" little children is the Kingdom of god, and that little children should be "touched".
No, I don't think this is where the priests got their inspiration, but really, anything can be made of holy texts, so if you claim that terrorist Muslims are terrorists because of their book, I'll claim that paedophile Christians are paedophiles because of theirs.

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Message 20 of 406 (574312)
08-15-2010 10:33 AM
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08-15-2010 10:15 AM


Though not your material, you used it. The material is not relevant and as we can see not even accurate.
I used it to express the sentiments of millions of Americans, not explain my own stance. I stated that there is no legal basis to bar it, however, from the perspective of those building it, they might want to consider that it almost certainly will be vandalized and/or suffer arson.

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Message 21 of 406 (574314)
08-15-2010 10:34 AM
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08-15-2010 10:17 AM


Seems like Jesus is saying that "touching" little children is the Kingdom of god, and that little children should be "touched".
That's a rather dubious twisting of scripture, don't you think? Since when is touching someone necessarily sexually fondling them?
Edited by Hyroglyphx, : No reason given.

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Message 22 of 406 (574315)
08-15-2010 10:45 AM
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08-15-2010 10:33 AM


NJ writes:
I stated that there is no legal basis to bar it, however, from the perspective of those building it, they might want to consider that it almost certainly will be vandalized and/or suffer arson.
If that happens then hopefully the people that commit such crimes will be caught and tried as terrorists.

Anyone so limited that they can only spell a word one way is severely handicapped!

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Dr Jack
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Message 23 of 406 (574318)
08-15-2010 10:59 AM
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08-15-2010 10:34 AM


That's a rather dubious twisting of scripture, don't you think? Since when is touching someone necessarily sexually fondling them?
I think you will find that was rather his point. I'd note as well that it's no more dubious that many popular Christian interpretations of the Bible.

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Message 24 of 406 (574323)
08-15-2010 11:24 AM
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08-15-2010 10:34 AM


Hyroglyphx writes:
That's a rather dubious twisting of scripture, don't you think?
Yes, but that was the point. Like I said after that:
Huntard writes:
No, I don't think this is where the priests got their inspiration, but really, anything can be made of holy texts, so if you claim that terrorist Muslims are terrorists because of their book, I'll claim that paedophile Christians are paedophiles because of theirs.

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Message 25 of 406 (574346)
08-15-2010 12:37 PM


I wonder how far away from Ground Zero a new mosque would have to be to be "acceptable". Brooklyn? New Jersey?
My guess is that any new mosque in Colorado or Florida will have at least one idiot making the same complaint that it's an insult to 9-11 victims.

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Message 26 of 406 (574355)
08-15-2010 1:13 PM
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08-15-2010 12:37 PM


My guess is that any new mosque in Colorado or Florida will have at least one idiot making the same complaint that it's an insult to 9-11 victims
Something like that:
"Permits should not be granted to build even one more mosque in the United States of America, let alone the monstrosity planned for Ground Zero. This is for one simple reason: each Islamic mosque is dedicated to the overthrow of the American government."
-- Bryan Fischer of the American Family Association
As to the the topic: Obama supports freedom of religion!! That proves he's a stealth muslim terrorist!! /sarcasm

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Message 27 of 406 (574359)
08-15-2010 1:48 PM
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08-15-2010 10:17 AM


Predictable answer, but it is a bit irrelevant.
Ask a muslim terrorist about his justification and he will say his religion
ask a catholic priest and he will not quote scripture (unless you can show me one that does).
Maybe the bible and christianity could be used to justify pedophilia by a very twisted mind, but as far as I know it isn't. So as I said, in my first post, the source for those priests actions isn't their religion. The same cannot be said for muslim terrorists.

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Message 28 of 406 (574361)
08-15-2010 1:50 PM
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08-15-2010 10:17 AM


If terrorist christians had stunned an entire nation by killing thousands of people all at once, (in other words, an analog situation), then Mr. Jack's analogy would have been useable.
But this wasn't his analogy, it was about pedophile priests.

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Message 29 of 406 (574365)
08-15-2010 2:01 PM
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08-15-2010 1:50 PM


Of course terrorist Christians have killed millions, likely billions. But the point is, as I said, that still has NOTHING to do with the topic.

Anyone so limited that they can only spell a word one way is severely handicapped!

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Message 30 of 406 (574367)
08-15-2010 2:11 PM
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08-15-2010 2:01 PM


All I'm saying is that his argument by analogy was fallacious, because pedophile priests and muslim terrorists are not analog.
AbE and lol at 'likely billions'
Edited by slevesque, : No reason given.

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