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Buzsaw
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Message 3 of 51 (574627)
08-16-2010 11:18 PM
Reply to: Message 1 by DC85
08-16-2010 10:42 PM


Re: Meaning Of Conservative
DC85 writes:
One thing that's been on my mind lately is the shift in thinking in what the word Conservative means.
The meaning of concervative is to conserve the status quo. It is a relative word. In Saudi Arabia it would mean to conserve Sharia and Quranic principles. In Russia it would mean to conserve totalitarian socialistic principles. In the US it would mean to conserve the Judeo-Christian principles and the Constitutional republic based largely upon Biblical principles.
Since the founders founded a republic (republican) and not a democracy (democrat) the tennants of the Republicans has traditionally been more conservative than those of the Democrats.

BUZSAW B 4 U 2 C Y BUZ SAW.
The immeasurable present eternally extends the infinite past and infinitely consumes the eternal future.

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Buzsaw
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Message 14 of 51 (574772)
08-17-2010 7:25 PM
Reply to: Message 10 by Dr Adequate
08-17-2010 7:38 AM


Re: Meaning Of Conservative
Dr Adequate writes:
BUZSAW writes:
Since the founders founded a republic (republican) and not a democracy (democrat) the tennants of the Republicans has traditionally been more conservative than those of the Democrats.
If those are the tenants of the Republican Party, does that make them the lessor of two evils?
Yes, Dr Adequate, the Republicans have emmerged into nothing but the lesser of the two evils. GO un-official TEA PARTY!

BUZSAW B 4 U 2 C Y BUZ SAW.
The immeasurable present eternally extends the infinite past and infinitely consumes the eternal future.

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Buzsaw
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Message 16 of 51 (574777)
08-17-2010 7:46 PM
Reply to: Message 13 by misha
08-17-2010 11:47 AM


Re: Meaning Of Conservative
misha writes:
How badly did you fail US History and Government?
The founders did not start a pure republic or a pure democracy. They started a Representative Democratic-Republic. The original intent was to take pieces of the early Roman and Greek political systems and create a balance.
Misha, sir/mam, did you fail English? Representative and democratic, as you used them, serve as adjectives to describe the noun, REPUBLIC, in your sentence. I learned that much as a little kid in a little grammer school in a little town in Wyoming some sixty some years ago. They founded a republic, the representives of which were democratically selected by the people by vote. Get it?
Don't put words into my message. I did not say that the Republican Party existed at the founding. My clear implication was only that the Repubican Party was the party of a republic and not of a democracy.

BUZSAW B 4 U 2 C Y BUZ SAW.
The immeasurable present eternally extends the infinite past and infinitely consumes the eternal future.

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Buzsaw
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Message 18 of 51 (574800)
08-17-2010 9:37 PM
Reply to: Message 17 by nwr
08-17-2010 9:09 PM


Re: Meaning Of Conservative
nwr writes:
I laughed, and I gave you a high rating on that post.
Did you consider the phrase "have emerged into" in your assessment of Adequate's response? I'm not sure he noticed it, or am I missing something here? Clue me in on what I missed so I can join in the frivolity. It appears that it doesn't take much to amuse some folks.

BUZSAW B 4 U 2 C Y BUZ SAW.
The immeasurable present eternally extends the infinite past and infinitely consumes the eternal future.

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Buzsaw
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Message 23 of 51 (574814)
08-17-2010 11:00 PM
Reply to: Message 19 by jar
08-17-2010 9:43 PM


Re: meanings of words
jar writes:
liberal or Christian have nothing to do what the terms meant in the past. They have become little more than Buz words, meaningless crap used for driving the emotions of the non-thinking citizenry. Christian means the far right wing anti-science reactionary groups that during the late sixties and early seventies decided to take over a political party,
Oh. So then, why do so many who cite Christian violence and attrocities here at EVC do so in reference to the bloody inquisitions of the RCC popes and bishops. Certainly it can't be about modern evangelical Biblical fundies who follow the non-violent tennants of Jesus and his apostles. They simply argue, "Christianity has a history of violence." Athiests and skeptics have done this to the term Christianity for as long as I can remember.
Christians, by and large do politics lawfully by the rules. They don't have bullys at the polls with clubs to intimidate like some do and they don't advocate an open borders felon voting and a whole lot of other devious tricks, etc to generate votes like (ahem) some do.

BUZSAW B 4 U 2 C Y BUZ SAW.
The immeasurable present eternally extends the infinite past and infinitely consumes the eternal future.

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Buzsaw
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Message 25 of 51 (574816)
08-17-2010 11:06 PM
Reply to: Message 7 by nwr
08-17-2010 12:25 AM


Re: Meaning Of Conservative
nwr writes:
Since 1980, the conservatives have been working to destroy the status quo.
How so?

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Buzsaw
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Message 31 of 51 (574882)
08-18-2010 8:58 AM
Reply to: Message 26 by Coyote
08-17-2010 11:23 PM


Re: Meaning Of Conservative
Coyote writes:
The recent batch of conservatives, the social conservatives, are entirely different. They are largely evolved from southern Democrats, and seem to want to impose their religious views on everyone else by political means. They are certainly not for small government and fiscal responsibility.
What are you talking about, Coyote? Millions of conservatives aren't even evangelical Christians. Also, it is mostly liberals who advocate for Islamic interests and black militants in this nation which really does aspire to impose their religious and racial views on everyone.

BUZSAW B 4 U 2 C Y BUZ SAW.
The immeasurable present eternally extends the infinite past and infinitely consumes the eternal future.

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Buzsaw
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Message 33 of 51 (574893)
08-18-2010 9:52 AM
Reply to: Message 32 by nwr
08-18-2010 9:21 AM


Re: Meaning Of Conservative
nwr writes:
You see instances where liberals stand up for the bill of rights, and you totally misconstrue it as support for things you don't like.
Relative to the Bill of Rights, liberals don't apply it to talk radio but miss-apply it to defend the rights of those violent interests I've cited which seek to suppress freedom in America and forcefully impose their values on the people.
OTO, conservatives conserve lawful and non-violent aspects of the the Bill of Rights as was the intent of the signers of it.

BUZSAW B 4 U 2 C Y BUZ SAW.
The immeasurable present eternally extends the infinite past and infinitely consumes the eternal future.

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Buzsaw
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Message 37 of 51 (574919)
08-18-2010 12:35 PM
Reply to: Message 34 by hooah212002
08-18-2010 10:05 AM


Re: Meaning Of Conservative
hooah writes:
Oh, like how american christians want christianity everywhere and shoved down everyones throat, effectively ending any religious freedom? The religious right wishes to impose their religion on everyone, hardly the other way around.
Like the liberals and secularists who wish to impose their values on evreyone, all must do it lawfully and according to the rules. Who does so more effectively wins. That's the way it works. What's good for the goose is good for the gander. If you don't like what's happening in some respects, like we don't as well in others. It's up to us all to go to work to determine who gets what in the end.

BUZSAW B 4 U 2 C Y BUZ SAW.
The immeasurable present eternally extends the infinite past and infinitely consumes the eternal future.

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Buzsaw
Inactive Member


Message 48 of 51 (575139)
08-18-2010 11:30 PM
Reply to: Message 40 by DBlevins
08-18-2010 12:53 PM


Re: Freedom to worship
DBlevins writes:
No, num-nuts.
At 75, mine are healthy and functional.
DB writes:
Liberals are not imposing their values on you. They don't want your values imposed on everyone. ie. You should have the freedom to not visit the neighborhood liquorstore on the fine Sunday, but don't tell me I can't.
I wouldn't try. I like upstate Bully Hill and Johnson Estate semi dry. The wine, a Rolling Rock Pale beer a day and a shot of gin or whiskey on occasion help to keep my aged veins clean and gladden the heart, as King David suggested in Psalms 104.
I don't like beer and liquor laws any more than Jesus would who drank wine wisely and modrately and who miraculously produced the best of for a wedding feast.

BUZSAW B 4 U 2 C Y BUZ SAW.
The immeasurable present eternally extends the infinite past and infinitely consumes the eternal future.

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