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subbie Member (Idle past 1254 days) Posts: 3509 Joined: |
I just read that marriages will be allowed at 5pm, Aug 18th. Not necessarily. The Proponents of Prop 8 have the opportunity to ask the Court of Appeals for a stay, and I'd be surprised if they didn't ask. However, I think it unlikely that the Court of Appeals would grant that stay because it's unlikely that the Proponents have the right to appeal. Ridicule is the only weapon which can be used against unintelligible propositions. Ideas must be distinct before reason can act upon them; and no man ever had a distinct idea of the trinity. It is the mere Abracadabra of the mountebanks calling themselves the priests of Jesus. -- Thomas Jefferson For we know that our patchwork heritage is a strength, not a weakness. We are a nation of Christians and Muslims, Jews and Hindus -- and non-believers. -- Barack Obama We see monsters where science shows us windmills. -- Phat It has always struck me as odd that fundies devote so much time and effort into trying to find a naturalistic explanation for their mythical flood, while looking for magical explanations for things that actually happened. -- Dr. Adequate
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subbie Member (Idle past 1254 days) Posts: 3509 Joined: |
The Ninth U.S. Circuit Court of Appeals has granted the Proponents' request for a stay pending appeal, at the same time establishing an expedited schedule for briefs and set oral argument for the week of December 6. The court also ordered both parties to brief the issue of whether Proponents have standing to appeal, citing Arizonans For Official English v. Arizona, 520 U.S. 43, 66 (1997). In that case, the Court discussed the standing of a group of citizens who sponsored the ballot initiative that was at issue.
A copy of the Order in Perry can be found here. Ridicule is the only weapon which can be used against unintelligible propositions. Ideas must be distinct before reason can act upon them; and no man ever had a distinct idea of the trinity. It is the mere Abracadabra of the mountebanks calling themselves the priests of Jesus. -- Thomas Jefferson For we know that our patchwork heritage is a strength, not a weakness. We are a nation of Christians and Muslims, Jews and Hindus -- and non-believers. -- Barack Obama We see monsters where science shows us windmills. -- Phat It has always struck me as odd that fundies devote so much time and effort into trying to find a naturalistic explanation for their mythical flood, while looking for magical explanations for things that actually happened. -- Dr. Adequate
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Stile Member Posts: 4295 From: Ontario, Canada Joined: |
Um... perhaps you can inform me a bit more because I'm legally stupid. Wait... that didn't come out right. I'm stupid when it comes to legal terms and phrasing...
Yeah, anyway: This is my stance:-I don't think this roller-coaster ride is going to end until it goes to the Supreme Court -I think the Supreme Court is going to decide in favour of equal rights for everyone (pro-gay-rights or whatever). -Therefore, I want this gay-rights issue to go to the supreme court as soon as possible For me, then... is this granted-appeal a good thing? Is this one-more-step getting it closer to the supreme court?Or is it likely I'm going to have to wait longer... likely years?
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subbie Member (Idle past 1254 days) Posts: 3509 Joined: |
I read something yesterday that puts a different slant on it that makes a certain amount of sense to me.
As I described earlier, this appeal might be dismissed for lack of standing. If it is, obviously it won't go to the Supreme Court. Or, if it does, it could well be decided there on the basis of standing without ever reaching the merits of the case. In other words, there's a good chance the ruling at the district court level will remain undisturbed without an appeals court deciding whether Prop 8 is constitutional. If that does happen, we will have to wait for another case to work its way through the court system before the Supremes have a chance to rule on it. The suggestion I read yesterday was that that might not be a bad thing. If the trend is in the direction of increased recognition of gay marriage, and there is more support for it, politically as well judicially, it might make it easier for the Supremes to rule in favor of it. Although we like to think that the federal courts are insulated from politics, and to a degree they are, most judges are aware that the courts have to tread very carefully. The best example of what I'm talking about is Brown v. Board of Education. Wiki has a pretty good write up of the politics in the Court behind getting to a unanimous decision. The Justices knew that there would be widespread resistance to desegregation, and Chief Justice Warren in particular worked very hard to make sure that the opinion was unanimous to increase the force behind the decision. It goes without saying that there will be widespread resistance to acceptance of gay marriage. It will be easier for the Court to rule in favor of gay marriage if there has been more movement politically and socially in the direction of accepting it. Of course, if you don't think that we seem to be moving in that direction, then the sooner it gets to the Supremes the better. Ridicule is the only weapon which can be used against unintelligible propositions. Ideas must be distinct before reason can act upon them; and no man ever had a distinct idea of the trinity. It is the mere Abracadabra of the mountebanks calling themselves the priests of Jesus. -- Thomas Jefferson For we know that our patchwork heritage is a strength, not a weakness. We are a nation of Christians and Muslims, Jews and Hindus -- and non-believers. -- Barack Obama We see monsters where science shows us windmills. -- Phat It has always struck me as odd that fundies devote so much time and effort into trying to find a naturalistic explanation for their mythical flood, while looking for magical explanations for things that actually happened. -- Dr. Adequate
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subbie Member (Idle past 1254 days) Posts: 3509 Joined: |
That's nice.
Now run outside and play, the adults are talking here. Ridicule is the only weapon which can be used against unintelligible propositions. Ideas must be distinct before reason can act upon them; and no man ever had a distinct idea of the trinity. It is the mere Abracadabra of the mountebanks calling themselves the priests of Jesus. -- Thomas Jefferson For we know that our patchwork heritage is a strength, not a weakness. We are a nation of Christians and Muslims, Jews and Hindus -- and non-believers. -- Barack Obama We see monsters where science shows us windmills. -- Phat It has always struck me as odd that fundies devote so much time and effort into trying to find a naturalistic explanation for their mythical flood, while looking for magical explanations for things that actually happened. -- Dr. Adequate
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Theodoric Member Posts: 9076 From: Northwest, WI, USA Joined: Member Rating: 3.7 |
Isn't this spam?
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jar Member (Idle past 394 days) Posts: 34026 From: Texas!! Joined: |
Okay, I read your monologue.
Let me see if I can accurately summarize your position. You still believe homosexuality is wrong and that same sex marriages are somehow not real marriages but realize that what other folk do has no bearing on what you do. Is that a fair summary? Anyone so limited that they can only spell a word one way is severely handicapped!
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subbie Member (Idle past 1254 days) Posts: 3509 Joined: |
Please.
I'd really prefer not to fill this thread up with his irrelevancies. Ridicule is the only weapon which can be used against unintelligible propositions. Ideas must be distinct before reason can act upon them; and no man ever had a distinct idea of the trinity. It is the mere Abracadabra of the mountebanks calling themselves the priests of Jesus. -- Thomas Jefferson For we know that our patchwork heritage is a strength, not a weakness. We are a nation of Christians and Muslims, Jews and Hindus -- and non-believers. -- Barack Obama We see monsters where science shows us windmills. -- Phat It has always struck me as odd that fundies devote so much time and effort into trying to find a naturalistic explanation for their mythical flood, while looking for magical explanations for things that actually happened. -- Dr. Adequate
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Taz Member (Idle past 3291 days) Posts: 5069 From: Zerus Joined: |
Woke up this morning and what did I hear? Predominantly black and latino counties in California are fighting to keep prop 8.
At least white people have an excuse to be bigots. They've been bigots since god smiled on white people ages ago. But all these communities who have been subjected to ongoing prejudices have absolutely no excuse to turn around and discriminate others. Actually, I'm going to start openly support changing the constitution to fight anchor babies. If they want to play this game, I'll play with them. Let's crack down on illegals. Let's require everyone carry around their papers so that we can pull over all the ones who look like they might be illegal.
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nwr Member Posts: 6408 From: Geneva, Illinois Joined: Member Rating: 5.1 |
Taz writes:
I am not sure why you find that a surprise, nor why you find that a problem.
Woke up this morning and what did I hear? Predominantly black and latino counties in California are fighting to keep prop 8. Taz writes:
That seems too simplistic.At least white people have an excuse to be bigots. To a large extent, what you are seeing has to do with ignorance. Ignorant people are more likely to cling to superstitions from the past. It isn't news that there is more ignorance in black and latino communities. The reasons for this are complex, though some of it is due to discrimination against these groups that has reduced their educational opportunities.
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hooah212002 Member (Idle past 801 days) Posts: 3193 Joined: |
Predominantly black and latino counties in California are fighting to keep prop 8. I don't mean to sterotype, but aren't those communities also largely religious as well? Your god believes in Unicorns
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Huntard Member (Idle past 2295 days) Posts: 2870 From: Limburg, The Netherlands Joined: |
hooah212002 writes:
Yes, which is why I find it absolutely not weird that they are in favour of prop 8.
I don't mean to sterotype, but aren't those communities also largely religious as well?
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ringo Member (Idle past 412 days) Posts: 20940 From: frozen wasteland Joined: |
Taz writes:
They're human, aren't they? Discrimination is a human characteristic, not a race-specific one. But all these communities who have been subjected to ongoing prejudices have absolutely no excuse to turn around and discriminate others. Life is like a Hot Wheels car. Sometimes it goes behind the couch and you can't find it.
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Taz Member (Idle past 3291 days) Posts: 5069 From: Zerus Joined: |
ringo writes:
(1) You people have spent the last year trying to convince me there's no such thing as race. ey're human, aren't they? Discrimination is a human characteristic, not a race-specific one. (2) I didn't say latinos and blacks. I said latino and black communities. In other words, if 70-80% of their members support something, I think it's safe to say their community supports it.
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