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dennis780
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Message 74 of 99 (565808)
06-21-2010 8:03 AM
Reply to: Message 65 by lyx2no
05-23-2010 8:14 PM


Re: OK Fine
"Lsys = constant ‘ext"
Haha, okay Lynx. I'm an oilfield worker, so if you are going to assume I know what any of the above is, then you are mistaken. I work out here because I DIDN'T learn that. But I can tell you what I do NOT see. You have all these formulas, but I do not see any calculations. Like my dad always told me when I lived at home, don't tell me how to do it, do it. So do it. Calculate it and prove me wrong. It seems apparent that you know how to, and that I do not. No one is debating who knows more formulas. Show me how you get an object with 97% of the overall mass in our solar system to have only 2% rotational energy.
I can't respond to the other points either, simply because I am not familiar with this information. I have no idea what magnetic coupling is, and I googled it, but it's over my head, probably because there is some schooling required prior to learning it. I don't mind if you want to respond, but could you dummy it for me so I can understand your points? (easy shot, I set you up!)

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dennis780
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From: Alberta
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Message 79 of 99 (565891)
06-21-2010 10:28 PM
Reply to: Message 78 by lyx2no
06-21-2010 5:45 PM


Re: OK Fine
"I’m going to give you the benefit of the doubt and further assume that you screen is displaying this gibberish"
No, it read correctly, but when I copied and pasted the formula, it did that.
"This means you can spin up or slow down a bowling ball if you apply the right force upon it with you hand, but if left to itself in the void it will continue to do whatever it is doing forever."
I follow. My question is, what is me? What do I represent? Since I have to act on the bowling ball. I think Dr. Adequates explanation was better.
I have a few questions first, feel free to jump in Dr. Ad.
Does magnetic coupling affect the earth and other planets as well? And if so, why less than the sun?
Does the entire milky way effect every celestial body inside it? Or is there a relative distance that the effects would be minimal or zero (depending on size and energy)?
Okay. Your next points lyx.
"Were I to tell you that there are surer methods of attaching the kelly than you’re currently using, wouldn’t you assume I knew something of what I assumed to speak? If not, should I be correcting you?"
I'm going to assume you are talking about a kelly hose? Or a kelly pump. Either way, one can draw natural assumptions based on very minimal reading. It is not a requirement to hold a doctorate in any particular subject, or else even I would not be allowed to talk about the oilfield. Experience and training are two key elements to general knowledge. By informing myself (reading books), I believe my opinion can be heard. I'm going to assume that you do not hold degrees in every subject you respond to, and using your logic, only the most knowledgable is allowed to argue. But then whom does he argue with?
"You didn’t skip childhood and go straight to the oil fields, did you?"
"Calculations are used to solve for specific examples."
The sun is not specific? I'm confused. Can you not use the formulas provided to calculate the loss of rotation due to magnetic coupling inside the tachocline? If not, explain. It seems that we can calculate the earths loss of rotation, so why not the sun?

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dennis780
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From: Alberta
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Message 81 of 99 (565922)
06-22-2010 2:15 AM
Reply to: Message 80 by Coragyps
06-21-2010 11:03 PM


Re: OK Fine
how do you know what province I'm in?? What the hell.
"frac and cement hands"
I'm in production, so I work with fraccers often. Cementers are here either before or after I leave, depending on the scope of work.
What frac company?

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dennis780
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Message 84 of 99 (565926)
06-22-2010 2:25 AM
Reply to: Message 82 by Dr Adequate
06-22-2010 2:19 AM


Re: OK Fine
Dr Adequate writes:
"Well, here's someone doing the math. I'm not sure that it will leave you any the wiser.
No, it read correctly, but when I copied and pasted the formula, it did that.
Try using the peek mode before copying.
Does magnetic coupling affect the earth and other planets as well? And if so, why less than the sun?
As Coragyps says, they don't emit charged particles.
Does the entire milky way effect every celestial body inside it?
In what way?
If you're still thinking about magnetism, I gather that the average magnetic field of the Milky Way is of the order of one-millionth the intensity of the magnetic field at the surface of the Sun.
The sun is not specific? I'm confused. Can you not use the formulas provided to calculate the loss of rotation due to magnetic coupling inside the tachocline?
Well, heres someone doing the math. I'm not sure that it will leave you any the wiser."
Google books won't let me see the pages. I'll take your word for it.
Edited by Admin, : Add quote to the portion copied from another message.

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dennis780
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Message 85 of 99 (565927)
06-22-2010 2:26 AM
Reply to: Message 82 by Dr Adequate
06-22-2010 2:19 AM


Re: OK Fine
oops I copied the whole thing. Just read the last part of the above post.

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dennis780
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Message 88 of 99 (566741)
06-26-2010 2:30 PM
Reply to: Message 87 by lyx2no
06-22-2010 9:01 AM


Re: OK Fine
"Just a little reading is all it took me to find out that there is no such thing as a kelly hose or a kelly pump."
Kelly Hose: A large-diameter (3- to 5-in. inside diameter), high-pressure flexible line used to connect the standpipe to the swivel. This flexible piping arrangement permits the kelly (and, in turn, the drillstring and bit) to be raised or lowered while drilling fluid is pumped through the drillstring. The simultaneous lowering of the drillstring while pumping fluid is critical to the drilling operation.
Kelly Spinner (or Kelly Pump): A mechanical device for rotating the kelly. The kelly spinner is typically pneumatic. It is a relatively low torque device, useful only for the initial makeup of threaded tool joints. It is not strong enough for proper torque of the tool joint or for rotating the drillstring itself. The kelly spinner has largely replaced the infamous spinning chains, which were responsible for numerous injuries on the rig floor.
I hope your research for evolution exceeds that of drilling processes. I don't even work on a rig, and I know that.
"The question is vague to the point of meaningless. Does doffing ones hat slow the rotation of the Earth?"
I meant by any meaningful amount? By your definition, nothing is a closed system, since the shockwave from my sneeze will effect earths distance from the sun.
"I hold no degree of any kind. Not even a high school diploma." Thats reassuring.
"My logic demands no such thing."
It demands that one interpretation of data is absolutely correct.
"It’s the being right bit, not the arguing bit, that makes demands upon ones education."
Back to the interpretation thing.
"But I don’t have to be able calculate a specific to understand a general."
You do have to calculate it. Or find calculcations for it. Since this was your rebuttal to my rotational energy point, this is how debate works. I say something, you prove me wrong.
"Take nobodie’s word for it."
Your spelling says it all, and so does your logic. Take nobody's word for it implies that I should believe no one. So, I cannot believe what scientists say (whether they argue my view or yours), since I should not trust them.

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dennis780
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Posts: 288
From: Alberta
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Message 91 of 99 (575736)
08-20-2010 10:17 PM
Reply to: Message 89 by cavediver
06-26-2010 3:45 PM


Re: Just to confuse things further...
I have no idea what we're talking about.
Whats this for?

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dennis780
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Message 92 of 99 (575743)
08-20-2010 10:33 PM
Reply to: Message 90 by lyx2no
06-27-2010 12:23 PM


Re: OK Fine
First, I have good news, and bad.
First the bad, I have no idea what or how we got into Mars. I don't understand why you calculated all that. AT ALL.
I still don't understand why the sun has lost so much rotational energy. You have given variables, such as magnetic coupling, etc., which I fully ACCEPT, but do not understand how it affects the rotation to such a degree, which is what I am waiting for an answer.
I read some information on MC, but it's way over my head.
NOW, for the good news. I have met a friend that is willing to 'tag' me out in regards to this arguement, however I will continue until he makes his profile and jumps in. He's a scientist that spoke at our church a few years ago, and wrote a book on evolution. He has some background in this cosmology jazz.
Now to your points...
"Where do you get this absolutest stuff from?"
I don't. In fact, I believe that alot of data in favour of evolution has been misinterpretation of accurate data.
"Do you argue that all interpretations are equals?" Nope. I think the right interpretation has a slight advantage.
"Shift the the burden of proof much?" Since evolution requires scientific evidence, and my beliefs require faith, yes.
"Let me see if I get this straight. You suggest that all you have to do is a little reading and you can argue cosmology with experts."
Why not? I have been in my field for over 8 years now, and some of the most interesting moments are when new men to my operational field come and and say, "Doesn't this make more sense?". A new guy leaves us experienced guys sitting there going, "How did we not see that?". After 5 years of school and 8 years in the field, this new guy just taught me something. Should I tell him to shut up, because I'm the boss, and I know more, even though he is correct? I think no.
"My logic demands that Occam’s Razor be used." Not sure what that is.

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