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dennis780
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Message 91 of 99 (575736)
08-20-2010 10:17 PM
Reply to: Message 89 by cavediver
06-26-2010 3:45 PM


Re: Just to confuse things further...
I have no idea what we're talking about.

Whats this for?


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dennis780
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Message 92 of 99 (575743)
08-20-2010 10:33 PM
Reply to: Message 90 by lyx2no
06-27-2010 12:23 PM


Re: OK Fine
First, I have good news, and bad.

First the bad, I have no idea what or how we got into Mars. I don't understand why you calculated all that. AT ALL.

I still don't understand why the sun has lost so much rotational energy. You have given variables, such as magnetic coupling, etc., which I fully ACCEPT, but do not understand how it affects the rotation to such a degree, which is what I am waiting for an answer.

I read some information on MC, but it's way over my head.

NOW, for the good news. I have met a friend that is willing to 'tag' me out in regards to this arguement, however I will continue until he makes his profile and jumps in. He's a scientist that spoke at our church a few years ago, and wrote a book on evolution. He has some background in this cosmology jazz.

Now to your points...

"Where do you get this absolutest stuff from?"

I don't. In fact, I believe that alot of data in favour of evolution has been misinterpretation of accurate data.

"Do you argue that all interpretations are equals?" Nope. I think the right interpretation has a slight advantage.

"Shift the the burden of proof much?" Since evolution requires scientific evidence, and my beliefs require faith, yes.

"Let me see if I get this straight. You suggest that all you have to do is a little reading and you can argue cosmology with experts."

Why not? I have been in my field for over 8 years now, and some of the most interesting moments are when new men to my operational field come and and say, "Doesn't this make more sense?". A new guy leaves us experienced guys sitting there going, "How did we not see that?". After 5 years of school and 8 years in the field, this new guy just taught me something. Should I tell him to shut up, because I'm the boss, and I know more, even though he is correct? I think no.

"My logic demands that Occam’s Razor be used." Not sure what that is.


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Message 93 of 99 (575747)
08-20-2010 10:42 PM
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08-20-2010 10:33 PM


Re: OK Fine
First the bad, I have no idea what or how we got into Mars. I don't understand why you calculated all that. AT ALL.

His point is that it is possible to appreciate the meaning of a bit of physics in a qualitative way without working through the math and physics.

You, for example, now know why the Sun should slow down. If you wanted to calculate how much it would slow down over the next million years given data about the solar wind and the Sun's magnetic field, you would doubtless be all at see, but you have at least grasped why it should slow down.

You have given variables, such as magnetic coupling, etc., which I fully ACCEPT, but do not understand how it affects the rotation to such a degree, which is what I am waiting for an answer.

I read some information on MC, but it's way over my head.

I think I showed you some physics. Really there's nothing much you can do except either just take it on trust --- or really get into the physics.

For now, isn't it enough to say that since you understand why the Sun must lose angular momentum, you can safely discount any creationist arguments based on the assumption that it hasn't?


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Nuimshaan
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Message 94 of 99 (575942)
08-21-2010 8:39 PM
Reply to: Message 1 by benjamin.henri
03-31-2010 3:28 AM


Realistically speaking..in order for this universe to contain high energy bodies that are excited as compared to a universe where there are none....we could say that in the beginning there were no spheres of light or movement...and just a cold ball of mass waiting to become excited to the point where it would explode and push mass into space.

Either way we are still disproving big bang....we are admitting there was an inumerable amount of time before any spark, fizzle, or movement, where the substance of matter was at rest...the ingredients for a large scale explosion are very important....and you must be very careful to prepare them or they won't explode...but after you have completed the Big Bomb...then you can see if it will make a Big Bang....

Thank You, Nuimshaan.


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Nuimshaan
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Message 95 of 99 (575944)
08-21-2010 8:51 PM
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08-21-2010 8:39 PM


It's important to note that at one point in time many years ago...a genesis effect happened on the Earth, whereby many types of life were spawned at many different locations on the Earth. On Multiple Continents at the same time, and each unique life form only produced or reproduced after it's own kind. Trees grew. Birds flew. Water flowed through rivers. Fish swam in the waters while birds flew in the air. Trees multiplied while the bees flew in the air around the birds and fish. Beasts of the field were multiplying. Cows and Bison and Ox and lizards and flies.

As the moment of genesis took effect...each unique DNA sequence was set in place. So that millions of years into the future...I am ABLE to type on a microsoft wireless keyboard to communicate these realities.

You cannot refute what I have said, and so we are in aggreeance.....

An event that occured long ago spawned divers manners of life that have continued to this day...and the apple is as sweet as the pear is green.

And the bee is as swift as the bull is mean.

Thank you, Nuimshaan.


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Nuimshaan
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Message 96 of 99 (575947)
08-21-2010 9:00 PM
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08-21-2010 8:51 PM


It's ignorant of me to say that in our beginning there were never any trees growing on the dry ground, and not in the waters.

Two different locations...the waters...and the dry ground...where were the trees growing back then....

I have to be honest in saying that many different forms of life whether plant or worm were spawned at the same time all over the Earth in a Genesis Effect. There was no central growth pattern in our fossil record...meaning:

I have never found that a small circle of land on the Earth was where all of the life on the Earth emanated from...or grew out from...I find life all over the Earth at the same time...not a period of time where life was only found in a certain quadrant of our globe.

Thank You, Nuimshaan.


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Nuimshaan
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Message 97 of 99 (575950)
08-21-2010 9:15 PM
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08-21-2010 9:00 PM


There are several laws of genetics which cannot be broken.

The first of which is obvious...you can't get your girl pregnant with anything other than another child...now that child may be short or tall...hairy or not...dark skinned or light skinned...brown haired, blue eyed, brown eyed...there's no telling...

And the same is true of the apes...you can't get a chimpanzee pregnant with a baboon.

You can't get a gorilla pregnant with a chimpanzee...these different DNA sequences don't have a female counterpart for reproduction. Each female counterpart is of the same species no matter what...meaning:
Every Female of every kind is of the same kind as the male species of that kind.

Truth.

Thank you, Nuimshaan.


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crashfrog
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Message 98 of 99 (575953)
08-21-2010 9:39 PM
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08-21-2010 9:15 PM


Please explain, then, how you can get a donkey pregnant with a horse.
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Coragyps
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Message 99 of 99 (575956)
08-21-2010 9:52 PM
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08-21-2010 9:15 PM


And type "zedonk" into your favorite search engine.
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