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onifre Member (Idle past 2971 days) Posts: 4854 From: Dark Side of the Moon Joined: |
If they can find a company willing to rent space to assholes than where is the problem? Of course, companies don't have to rent space to assholes. I don't see how this addresses my point. The prophet has been censored on TV because it is offensive to muslims to show his image, however on the same show (South Park) they showed, I think, George Bush taking a shit on Jesus. In this situation, the mosque is considered offensive by MANY people. Rightfully so, they are still allowed to build their mosque. Freedom of religion protects them. But freedom of speech is ignored when the image of the prophet is concerned. It seems hypocritical. Why should we give a shit about how muslims feel when it comes to their prophet's image, but then they don't give a shit when it comes to the feelings of those who find the mosque offensive? - Oni
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onifre Member (Idle past 2971 days) Posts: 4854 From: Dark Side of the Moon Joined: |
I agree, but shouldn't the Constitution protect us both?
There are some who find the mosque offensive. There are some who find the image of the prophet offensive. But it seems like in the US the muslims and their feels are considered before the feelings of others for fear of, well, another ground zero somewhere else. - Oni
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jar Member (Idle past 414 days) Posts: 34026 From: Texas!! Joined: |
Nonsense.
It is no the government that stops tv from broadcasting images of the Prophet, it is corporate timidity. If there is any hypocrisy it is not because there is any governmental restriction on freedom of speech. Anyone so limited that they can only spell a word one way is severely handicapped!
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Huntard Member (Idle past 2316 days) Posts: 2870 From: Limburg, The Netherlands Joined: |
onifre writes:
Not entirely correct. They showed Jesus shitting on Bush and the US Flag. Also, it's not because it is offensive that they don't show it, it's because they're pussies who are afraid fucktards will do something to them if they do show it.
I don't see how this addresses my point. The prophet has been censored on TV because it is offensive to muslims to show his image, however on the same show (South Park) they showed, I think, George Bush taking a shit on Jesus. It seems hypocritical. Why should we give a shit about how muslims feel when it comes to their prophet's image, but then they don't give a shit when it comes to the feelings of those who find the mosque offensive?
Like I said, it's not that they care about the feelings of Muslims, they are afraid somebody will hurt them if they do show it.
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ringo Member (Idle past 432 days) Posts: 20940 From: frozen wasteland Joined: |
onifre writes:
As far as I know, that's self-censorship and has nothing to do with the Constitution. I agree, but shouldn't the Constitution protect us both? There are some who find the mosque offensive. There are some who find the image of the prophet offensive. But it seems like in the US the muslims and their feels are considered before the feelings of others for fear of, well, another ground zero somewhere else. Life is like a Hot Wheels car. Sometimes it goes behind the couch and you can't find it.
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onifre Member (Idle past 2971 days) Posts: 4854 From: Dark Side of the Moon Joined: |
It is no the government that stops tv from broadcasting images of the Prophet, it is corporate timidity. Agreed. But since it was American's insulting Muslims, Obama didn't speak up about it. He didn't make it a government issue, like he has in the case of the mosque.
If there is any hypocrisy it is not because there is any governmental restriction on freedom of speech. Right, but I just meant the way we favor one side's feelings over the other. There are people who sincerely feel the mosque is insulting, but we disregard those feelings in support of freedom of religion. I think Huntard is right in that we're just scared. - Oni
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onifre Member (Idle past 2971 days) Posts: 4854 From: Dark Side of the Moon Joined: |
Also, it's not because it is offensive that they don't show it, it's because they're pussies who are afraid fucktards will do something to them if they do show it. Because those fucktards are offended. But yes, I agree 1000%. It's because we've become pussies. - Oni
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jar Member (Idle past 414 days) Posts: 34026 From: Texas!! Joined: |
But no one has stopped the folk that are offended from speaking out.
Where is the issue? The Muslims have a Constitutional Right to build the mosque. Folk have a Constitutional Right to speak out against it. Both rights seem to be supported and working just fine. Edited by jar, : reely applin spallin Anyone so limited that they can only spell a word one way is severely handicapped!
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Dr Adequate Member (Idle past 305 days) Posts: 16113 Joined: |
Agreed. But since it was American's insulting Muslims, Obama didn't speak up about it. He didn't make it a government issue, like he has in the case of the mosque. He was asked about the mosque. And he replied that it was not a government issue.
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Rrhain Member Posts: 6351 From: San Diego, CA, USA Joined: |
onifre writes:
quote: There's that word "censored," again. No, you haven't seen in censored. Not in any way, shape, or form. Censorship is governmental restriction of speech. The government did not get involved in any decision by Comedy Central to refuse to show the South Park episode that had Mohammed in it. Do not confuse corporate spinelessness with censorship. Rrhain Thank you for your submission to Science. Your paper was reviewed by a jury of seventh graders so that they could look for balance and to allow them to make up their own minds. We are sorry to say that they found your paper "bogus," specifically describing the section on the laboratory work "boring." We regret that we will be unable to publish your work at this time. Minds are like parachutes. Just because you've lost yours doesn't mean you can use mine.
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evolutionfacts Junior Member (Idle past 2537 days) Posts: 12 From: Long Beach, CA Joined: |
Like you, I'm fairly agnostic on this issue. Obama later 'clarified' his point, saying he merely supported the 'right' not necessarily the 'wisdom' of such. I noticed that some 9/11 family members actually support the building of it. There are a few things supporters need to do a better job of explaining;
-It's not a 'mosque' it's a cultural center which includes a mosque.and.. Imam Feisal Abdul Rauf has; -assisted the FBI in anti-terrorist efforts -openly criticized Islamic terrorist acts -is in fact a Sufi (Islam with Hinduism makeover) I think if proponents would do a better job of explaining this instead of just babbling about 1st ammendment rights, there'd be a more meaningful discussion over the propriety of having this thing built. Instead, the bulk of America thinks the Imam is an extension of Jihad and are scared sh*tless thanks to Glenn Beck and other conservative loons. Evolution Facts | Obama FTW
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crashfrog Member (Idle past 1487 days) Posts: 19762 From: Silver Spring, MD Joined: |
I think if proponents would do a better job of explaining this instead of just babbling about 1st ammendment rights Why? The discussion begins and ends with First Amendment rights. If Osama bin Laden got together with Jeremiah Wright to build a church in New York - where basically anything at all is "within so-and-so of 'ground zero'" - that would be their First Amendment rights. It's not "babbling", it's the US Constitution, which we all thought used to mean something to conservatives.
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onifre Member (Idle past 2971 days) Posts: 4854 From: Dark Side of the Moon Joined: |
But no one has stopped the folk that are offended from speaking out. Where is the issue? The Muslims have a Constitutional Right to build the mosque. Folk have a Constitutional Right to speak out against it. Both rights seem to be supported and working just fine. I wasn't arguing that, I was just pointing out the insensitivity from the Muslims building it. - Oni
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jar Member (Idle past 414 days) Posts: 34026 From: Texas!! Joined: |
What insensitivity?
Honestly, all I have seen so far from those protesting the construction is utter ignorance of the facts. Anyone so limited that they can only spell a word one way is severely handicapped!
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onifre Member (Idle past 2971 days) Posts: 4854 From: Dark Side of the Moon Joined: |
No, you haven't seen in censored. Not in any way, shape, or form. Censorship is governmental restriction of speech. Censorship is not restricted to just the government, many news, radio and TV stations censor material that they don't want aired.
Do not confuse corporate spinelessness with censorship. But the corporate spinelessness resulted in Trey and Matt being censored by Comedy Central. Granted, it wasn't the government doing it, but I think that would still be considered censorship. At least that's what the news called it. - Oni Edited by onifre, : No reason given.
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