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onifre Member (Idle past 2972 days) Posts: 4854 From: Dark Side of the Moon Joined: |
What insensitivity? They are not sensitive to those who feel it's offensive. I agree that they shouldn't feel offended, but then again, I also feel Muslims shouldn't be offended by us airing and image of their prophet.
Honestly, all I have seen so far from those protesting the construction is utter ignorance of the facts. Agreed. - Oni
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jar Member (Idle past 415 days) Posts: 34026 From: Texas!! Joined: |
They are not sensitive to those who feel it's offensive. I see no indication that those building the place are insensitive. I don't see them saying that the folks that are upset should not speak out or that they don't understand that folk are upset. Anyone so limited that they can only spell a word one way is severely handicapped!
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Coyote Member (Idle past 2127 days) Posts: 6117 Joined: |
I see no indication that those building the place are insensitive. I don't see them saying that the folks that are upset should not speak out or that they don't understand that folk are upset.
Perhaps not insensitive, just arrogant.
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onifre Member (Idle past 2972 days) Posts: 4854 From: Dark Side of the Moon Joined: |
I see no indication that those building the place are insensitive. I don't see them saying that the folks that are upset should not speak out or that they don't understand that folk are upset. But that fact that they are building regardless of how others feel is them being insensitive. - Oni
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onifre Member (Idle past 2972 days) Posts: 4854 From: Dark Side of the Moon Joined: |
Perhaps not insensitive, just arrogant. Ok, arrogant works too. - Oni
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jar Member (Idle past 415 days) Posts: 34026 From: Texas!! Joined: |
How is it arrogant?
Anyone so limited that they can only spell a word one way is severely handicapped!
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jar Member (Idle past 415 days) Posts: 34026 From: Texas!! Joined: |
How is it insensitive?
How is it any different then all the other building that get built despite there being some opposition? Anyone so limited that they can only spell a word one way is severely handicapped!
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onifre Member (Idle past 2972 days) Posts: 4854 From: Dark Side of the Moon Joined: |
Because many people feel it is.
Wether or not I agree with it doesn't matter. I don't agree with Muslims that the prophet shouldn't be shown in an image. But I would be, to some extent, sensitive to their feelings and can understand not showing the image under those conditions - not for fear though. Shouldn't they too, since the US, at least it's media, hasn't ever shown the image, extend the same courtesy? - Oni Edited by onifre, : No reason given.
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crashfrog Member (Idle past 1488 days) Posts: 19762 From: Silver Spring, MD Joined: |
They are not sensitive to those who feel it's offensive. But those people are racist bigots who feel that a mosque in Temecula, California is "too close to Ground Zero." And who says they're not very sensitively saying "we understand your regrettable bigotry, but we're not going to allow it to cost us the millions of dollars it would cost to move the site?" Why does "sensitivity" have to only mean full capitulation to bigots? I guess we can put the First Amendment along with the Second as another American right you're not such an enormous supporter of.
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jar Member (Idle past 415 days) Posts: 34026 From: Texas!! Joined: |
Perhaps they should ... should what?
Anyone so limited that they can only spell a word one way is severely handicapped!
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Coyote Member (Idle past 2127 days) Posts: 6117 Joined: |
How is it insensitive? How is it any different then all the other building that get built despite there being some opposition? It's all about symbolism. There was the symbolism of Arabs dancing in the streets when the towers were destroyed. Now there is the symbolism of building a mosque on the same location. Are you aware that Muslims built a mosque on the site of a Catholic church in Cordoba to celebrate the Muslim conquest of Spain? That was the same type of symbolism. How is it that you can't see this? And are so insensitive toward those who can? Religious belief does not constitute scientific evidence, nor does it convey scientific knowledge.
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jar Member (Idle past 415 days) Posts: 34026 From: Texas!! Joined: |
Are you aware that Muslims built a mosque on the site of a Catholic church in Cordoba to celebrate the Muslim conquest of Spain? And it is a glorious improvement.
There was the symbolism of Arabs dancing in the streets when the towers were destroyed. And? There were also Muslims condemning the action.
How is it that you can't see this? And are so insensitive toward those who can? I certainly can see that, but also see the absolute idiocy of conflating the people dancing in the streets with the people trying to build a civic center. Anyone so limited that they can only spell a word one way is severely handicapped!
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onifre Member (Idle past 2972 days) Posts: 4854 From: Dark Side of the Moon Joined: |
But those people are racist bigots That's your opinion, and no one cares. These are their feelings, they should be respected, right? We respect the feelings of Muslims who don't want their prophet shown, they can't seem to extend the same courtesy to those who feel offended. Those Muslims who get offended by the prophet being shown are stupid. But who cares what I think, that's how they feel and it seems (at least in the media) that we as a society play favorites.
I guess we can put the First Amendment along with the Second as another American right you're not such an enormous supporter of. I have said that I support their right to build it and they are protected by the Constitution. I started this thread saying that I didn't care if the build a mosque on Ground Zero. Follow the debate and don't make assumptions about my position. But I am also for freedom of speech, which is something the American media has shit on when it comes to showing the prophet. - Oni
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onifre Member (Idle past 2972 days) Posts: 4854 From: Dark Side of the Moon Joined: |
Perhaps they should ... should what? Not build the mosque, showing their sensitivity to those who are offended. - Oni
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jar Member (Idle past 415 days) Posts: 34026 From: Texas!! Joined: |
That is something I am sure they consider. But just like all other such projects, the decision will most likely be resolved based on a financial basis.
The issue though is that under our laws they do have a right to build the civic center and those upset also have the right to protest. It is NOT the things we like that we must protect. Anyone so limited that they can only spell a word one way is severely handicapped!
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