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LinearAq
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Message 151 of 164 (458307)
02-28-2008 9:30 AM
Reply to: Message 140 by Son Goku
02-12-2008 12:03 PM


Re: Confused
Son Goku writes:

However I only thought they were conservative protestants with strong family values, with an opposition to trends related to the relaxing of sexual taboos. I didn't think they were anti-boardgames as well. To be honest thinking a boardgame is evil is one of the most ridiculous things I've ever heard.

Ya, relaxing sexual taboos such as dancing.

Although this site is a forum discussion, it represents the word going around evangelical Christian circles at the time of my youth, circa 1975.

quote:
DISNEY MOVIES WITH WITCHCRAFT AND OCCULT THEMES...
CINDERELLA: Cinderella is the story of a girl being oppressed by her step sisters and stepmother. Then her demonic fairy godmother magically gives her everything she needs to make the prince fall in love with her in one night (all good gifts come from God not demons).

What do you expect from a group of people who thought bowling and women wearing pants were sins until about 10 years ago. Some still think that.


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New Cat's Eye
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Message 152 of 164 (458309)
02-28-2008 9:49 AM
Reply to: Message 146 by Vacate
02-28-2008 12:44 AM


Re: absence of God
All that evil is is the absence of God

All what evil?

I think you've misunderstood Phat.

He was just defining evil in general as an absence of god. He was not referring to some specific evil with the word 'that'. Its a phrase. All that X is, is blah blah blah. Granted, it was ambiguous.

That is what I do not understand about the claims of D&D being evil.

The christians think its evil because they don't understand it and it contains magic and demons n'stuff. They are quick to judge, which is wierd because its against their religion ;)

I never learned the results of his experience because he never again bothered me about my harmless social gatherings.

The results were probably: "Wow, my son is a huge dork." :laugh: just playin'

The mere fact that the game does not promote religion does not seem like a valid reason to consider it evil. How about gardening or painting the fence?

I think what Phat was saying is that if evil is defined as the absence of god, then the game could be considered evil in that it is not with god (at least not the real god). In this case, yes, gardening without god is evil too :eek:


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Message 153 of 164 (458311)
02-28-2008 9:50 AM
Reply to: Message 147 by Son Goku
02-28-2008 7:02 AM


Re: Absolutely mad.
4. Child thinks that magic is real and is okay to practice, which is something the Bible condemns.
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Vacate
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Message 154 of 164 (458391)
02-28-2008 6:32 PM
Reply to: Message 152 by New Cat's Eye
02-28-2008 9:49 AM


Re: absence of God
I think you've misunderstood Phat.

Reading your post and Asgara I see what Phat likely meant in his post:

quote:
All {snip} evil is the absense of God

This however does immediately beg the question of what isn't evil? Sure D&D has magic, demons, dieties, and a group of poor saps trying not to get eaten by a red dragon; but its all imagination. Novels, tv shows, video games, music, etc all have the same idea - creating a world of fiction for entertainment purposes.

The christians think its evil because they don't understand it and it contains magic and demons n'stuff.

That is such a bizarre stance to take on issues. I suppose its easy as long as one doesn't actually think about the contradictions they make in their lives.

The results were probably: "Wow, my son is a huge dork."

Exactly! Being a dork is not evil.

I think what Phat was saying is that if evil is defined as the absence of god

Then there is no hope for someone who thinks like that. Life is full of explorations that do not revolve around God, church, or Bible readings. Rejecting D&D out of hand is closed minded, thinking about the position and following it to its logical end is to reject nearly everything the world has to offer!


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Thugpreacha
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Message 155 of 164 (458453)
02-29-2008 12:32 AM
Reply to: Message 148 by Larni
02-28-2008 7:36 AM


Re: Confused
No its the thinking process. Anytime someone attempts to imagine their own power and control, evil is afoot. ;)

Im tongue-in-cheek on D&D being harmful. Its no worse than many other things people do that subconsciously Deifies our minds and causes us to become our own god, so to speak.


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Larni
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Message 156 of 164 (458462)
02-29-2008 3:51 AM
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02-29-2008 12:32 AM


Re: Confused
Phat writes:

Anytime someone attempts to imagine their own power and control, evil is afoot.

So when I teach my patients to do just that, I'm teaching them evil?

You cannot be serious.


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Thugpreacha
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Message 157 of 164 (458470)
02-29-2008 7:26 AM
Reply to: Message 156 by Larni
02-29-2008 3:51 AM


Got God?
I could well be serious. This whole idea of humans empowering themselves to move beyond the "myth" of God will eventually lead to more problems than cleaning up global fundamentalism will solve.

My argument rests on my belief that humans are incapable of making altruistic decisions beyond serving their own interests.

We are supposed to think and reason, but to dismiss the need for God in everyday life will prove to be a costly mistake.


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Larni
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Message 158 of 164 (458494)
02-29-2008 9:45 AM
Reply to: Message 157 by Thugpreacha
02-29-2008 7:26 AM


Re: Got God?
Well then you must have a massive issue with cogntive behavioural therapy: how you can see helping people to help themsleves as being in any way negative is beyond me.
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Granny Magda
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Message 159 of 164 (458499)
02-29-2008 11:04 AM
Reply to: Message 157 by Thugpreacha
02-29-2008 7:26 AM


Re: Got God?
Hi Phatboy,
Have to disagree with you here;

My argument rests on my belief that humans are incapable of making altruistic decisions beyond serving their own interests.

So when I go out and do voluntary work for a local conservation charity, I'm acting out of self interest? How? The work is often miserable and the wildlife never thanks you (ingrates!).
Humans are altruistic.
Christians are altruistic.
Atheists are altruistic.
Bonobos are altruistic.
I'm sure that not all humans are altruistic, many are venal, selfish grasping scum, but I'm not sure that you can draw a religious dividing line between the two groups. Your observations seem to be based upon the idea that all morality stems from God, but if that were the case, wouldn't we see religious folks only being altruistic to one another, whilst atheists were wholly selfish? This just isn't what we see.


Mutate and Survive
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Artemis Entreri 
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Message 160 of 164 (474752)
07-10-2008 2:33 PM


wow O.O

of course i have to disagree, with a screen name stolen from Forgotten Realms.


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Larni
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Message 161 of 164 (474810)
07-11-2008 8:01 AM
Reply to: Message 160 by Artemis Entreri
07-10-2008 2:33 PM


Don't advertise your name: Drizzt will find you.
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Artemis Entreri 
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Message 162 of 164 (474828)
07-11-2008 10:54 AM
Reply to: Message 161 by Larni
07-11-2008 8:01 AM


he got lucky in Calimport.
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Tram law
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Message 163 of 164 (575003)
08-18-2010 5:14 PM


Ah yes, I was about fourteen when i first started high school. I lived in a small town and I was reading the D&D books but didn't really tell anybody about it.

Then the Christians got up in arms and their heads started exploding over it.

My school even held a couple of rallies against it for two years straight.

I was living in a small town of about a thousand people of whom the vast majority considered themselves Christians.

But, at the time I believed the crazy stories going around because I had not yet been introduced to things like critical thinking.

In fact one teacher (during a rally)said he had actually read the books and when he got really super scared he tried to burn them, but they wouldn't burn. At least not until he poured holy water on the books. Then they burned. So surely that was the absolute proof of the existence of the devil, at least according to him.

So my mom threw away a hundred and fifty dollars worth of classic D&D books.


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Artemis Entreri 
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Message 164 of 164 (576250)
08-23-2010 1:10 PM
Reply to: Message 163 by Tram law
08-18-2010 5:14 PM


wow that is hilarious.

I just got back from GenCon 2010, where I played D&D for 4 days striaght. it was great, I got to 18th level.


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