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DC85
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Message 16 of 23 (45022)
07-04-2003 1:29 AM


well I think must people consider and Ape to be a Gorilla when this isn't true... a chimp is an Ape.... anyway it didn't change it got MORE specific. when you say apes. it could mean Gorillas, chimps etc... a chimp has alot more in common with Humans in DNA and in intellegents.
#1 chimps are so close in DNA they seem to be almost Human
#2 chimps can be as intelegent as a 4-5 year old child(smarter in many areas
#3 chimps use tools to Gather food
#4 when chimps are shown a mirrior they seem to know its them they are seeing(People don't devlop this ability till around 4)
and the list goes on

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Message 17 of 23 (45077)
07-04-2003 12:30 PM
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07-04-2003 1:29 AM


I'm not sure that "ape" is a formal classification but I do know that the "great apes" are considered to be gorilla, orang, chimp and bonobo.
Primate is a formal term I think and the gibbon is included in that as well as humans. hmmm it seems the monkeys are included in there too.

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Message 18 of 23 (45094)
07-04-2003 6:44 PM
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07-04-2003 12:30 PM


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Primate is a formal term I think and the gibbon is included in that as well as humans. hmmm it seems the monkeys are included in there too.
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DC85
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Message 19 of 23 (45100)
07-04-2003 7:48 PM


Well i guess if you think about it Humans can be Considered in the "Great Apes" I mean those are the Higher primates. and the Lower Primates would include Spider Monkeys ,Bush Babys, Lemurs etc.... which we are Connected to we did all share a common ancester... Lemurs are thought to be one of the Earliest Primates. which it would be our Earliest Primate ancesters. if you want to go back that far......

  
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Message 20 of 23 (57092)
09-23-2003 1:59 AM


The reason that the theory of evolution keeps changing is that it is trying to cope with all the new facts as they emerge.
As some proponent of evolution say, 'evolution is the fact, how it works is the theory'. I think the sad part about the whole evolution farce is that people often think that an intelligent scientist has no reason to obscure the facts. But if evolution were falsified the results to the establishment would be unthinkable. So they keep repairing their littel ideological ship till a better one comes along that doesn't have intelligent design written on it.

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crashfrog
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Message 21 of 23 (57096)
09-23-2003 2:07 AM
Reply to: Message 20 by Gemster
09-23-2003 1:59 AM


The reason that the theory of evolution keeps changing is that it is trying to cope with all the new facts as they emerge.
Yes, that's how science works. We revise our theories in the light of new data. If we didn't, it would be called "religion".
But if evolution were falsified the results to the establishment would be unthinkable.
Not so. The scientist who falsified the theory of evolution would be guaranteed the Nobel Prize, because that would be the discovery of the century.
So they keep repairing their littel ideological ship till a better one comes along that doesn't have intelligent design written on it.
I'm sorry you see something shady about the idea that our theories should explain data. For my part I'd rather be mostly right, and getting right-er, than totally and unchangingly wrong.

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sidelined
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Message 22 of 23 (57379)
09-24-2003 12:20 AM
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06-21-2003 9:12 PM


tomwillrep The error you make in your post is when you mentioned that the arguement is that we descended from apes as opposed to chimps.The theory of evolution states that we descended not from apes or chimps but from an ancestor common to both.The evidence is what drives the theory and as new evidence comes in details can change. This is what makes science special and powerful.Science thrives not on certainty but on doubt and this is the reason it makes progress.
How about for once you get facts straight and try,instead of attacking evolution,to put together a working (i.e. explains the evidence) theory as to how creation worked to generate biological life. First though take the Bible and through it away and without reference to it or to evolutionary theory explain how people get sick and try to make predictions about how life came about that can be verified by experiment.
P.S. Document your work and give it to the scientific community and see how well it does.

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sfs
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Message 23 of 23 (57647)
09-24-2003 11:49 PM
Reply to: Message 20 by Gemster
09-23-2003 1:59 AM


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But if evolution were falsified the results to the establishment would be unthinkable.
I guess you're right -- I'm having trouble thinking of them, anyway. What would happen? The (really quite small) number of people who study evolution for a living would study something else, and the person who did the falsification would become an overnight celebrity. What exactly was it that you had in mind?
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So they keep repairing their littel ideological ship till a better one comes along that doesn't have intelligent design written on it.
Why would we care whether the theory involves intelligent design or not? I use evolution because it works, not for any other reason. Until someone offers another theory that works at least as well, I'm going to keep on using it, too.

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