Evolving the Musculoskeletal System

This thread is based on the assumption that ToE is true.
Any perceived flaws in the system we will assume is the fault of Evolution.
Please save your comments about an imperfect Intelligent Designer for a different thread.Their are 206 bones in the adult skeletal system.
Their are 360 joints and more than 650 muscles.Lets start out here by asking the simplest of questions.
How did Evolution create the more than 1200 bones,
joints and muscles and manage to put them all in just
the right position performing the exact needed functions?For example:There are 5 basic types of joints: ball-in-socket, hinge, gliding, pivoting, and fixed.
Each type is specifically appropriate for its particular motions.
How did Evolution manage to put the correct joint in the appropriate position?

With all due respect guys, your answers do not even come close to answering the questions at hand.Over 1200 bones, joints and muscles completely transcends random mutation and natural selection.Each joint is very meticulously suited for particular actions.
The shoulder is a ball-in-socket joint
The hip is a ball-in-socket joint.
The elbows, knees, fingers, toes, and jaws are hinge joints.
Hands are refined biological tools.
The ankle and wrist are gliding joints that compliment all actions of the hands and feet.
...and on and on.Where are your answers that make sense on how the right joint ended up in the correct location...and where are the fossils with false starts or bones in the wrong place?Why doesn't the femur extend from the hip to the ankle?Bones grow into very specialized shapes. The foot has 26 bones,31 joints, and 20 intrinsic muscles that work together perfectly.That's just one foot. Why would evolution develop matching left and right sides of our bodies?How did rm/ns develop the over 600 muscle groups and how did they end up connected with the right muscle to the right bone?
How did it figure out to develop the tug-of-war between flexors and extendors to produce the movement of the skeleton?I reiterate: The Musculoskeletal system completely transcends rm/nsRespectfully,
ICDESIGN

Thank you for reestablishing my point. What does 26 bones, 31 joints and 20 muscles in the foot have to do with survival?All of you are still avoiding my main question from the opening post.
How did rm/ns develop 5 different joints and manage to put the right joint in the proper place?

Hi Bluejay I think your drawings are extremely underfetched in explaining any
of my posed questions.IC

...cute

uhh, common sense? observing and acknowledging the obvious?

Pound for pound bones are stronger than steel yet they are much lighter. That is more than just good enough.Like steel girders in a skyscraper, their role is mostly for support, but they also have the functions of protection, movement, blood formation, electrolyte balance, pH corrections, and detoxification.Bones are thickest where the greatest pressures occur, and the most flexible where give is needed. Unlike steel girders, they are capable of self-repair! (put that in your "we can build better" pipe and smoke it!)Some are rounded at their ends to rotate within joints; some are grooved to conduct blood vessels and nerves;
Some are beveled, like the skull, so that the pieces fit perfectly together.Some are centrally porous to contain bone marrow, where blood cells are made....just enough to get bye? not hardly!

...my thoughts exactly

Actually sir, I haven't been making the case for a designer if you will look at my opening statement.As Bolder-dash pointed out; where is the evidence to support your claims? All you guys are holding hands at the alter of random mutation/ natural selection singing cume-bye-yah with a blank chalk board.Where are all the false starts that you guys claim have died off?
There should be millions of them.Take a section (any section) of the body and explain piece by piece
a feasible rendition of how small mutations gradually developed into all the bones and joints that make up that section.
Explain how those mutations were necessary for the survival of the organism.You guys are always providing drawings. Draw out the process and lets take a look at something tangible for a change.

This is exactly the point we are taking issue with Percy. All any of you have to offer is inference. Inference is not evidence. It may be rational to you and other evolutionists but there are millions of us out here in the real world who think your inferences are extremely irrational. If this is true then why do you only have inferences?
Here in the true world of observable science all we see are minor variations within a kind.Here in the true world of observable science I have yet to see any transitional creatures walking around that are between ape and man.All you ever had was inference, and that is all you ever will have!My evidence has always been in the descriptions of function as with the 5 different types of joints. Every one of you whine I don't bring evidence to the table. All you have for a counter is inference.
Where is the evidence?
A creature with a ball joint where a hinge joint is located could have survived just fine.My underlining question is HOW? How exactly does evolution produce 5 distinctly different joints? All any of you ever have for an answer is an inference that rm/ns produced them for the sake of survival.I have pointed to over 1200 points of evidence within the Musculoskeletal system that beg the questions of how and why and all you bring is irrational, illogical inference.As far as your reference to the eye goes. Its all more of the same.
Inference, inference, inference.....

The broken lock IS the evidence and no inference is necessary.If you knew there was a watch on your dresser when you left for work and it was missing when you came home and you are the only one with access to your house, then you would infer someone stole the watch. Even with no signs of a break-in the inference would be justified. It wouldn't be a proven fact but a reasonable inference. ....Lets see now. What was that comment about ME being off topic again?
However since you keep bringing up the subject; if nothing has changed how come we don't see any evidence of apes in the process of evolving into man all around us? That would be hard, tangible evidence, end of argument.That eye article is nothing more than pointing to eyes on previous
creatures then inferring that is how we ended up with our current eye.You asked me what I want and the answer is this; I want to see hard evidence that rm/ns is capable of producing a brand new feature. Where is the observed, repeatable evidence?

I'll go toe-to-toe with you any day of the week sonny boy.
As I have stated before; being smart isn't so much as how much knowledge you have as it is coming to the right conclusions with the knowledge that you do have. As far as I can see all of you Darwinists fail miserably in this department!As I also stated before; all a person needs to refute ToE is common sense because ToE fails to pass the simplest of common sense tests.

Here is what I think since you asked; I think that no matter how much knowledge you, Crashfrog, obtain, you will never be smart enough to derive the correct conclusions about life and where it came from.
As I stated to you before; you are lost in a sea of information with only a toothpick for a life raft.If you were even a fraction as smart as your arrogance has fooled you into believing you are, you would still miss the mark by a mile.You think you have won past arguments because we didn't answer you? The truth is I ignore most of what you say because you are a colossal waste of time.In short; I really don't care what you think because arrogant people such as you make me ill to my stomach.Percy is twice as smart as you will ever be yet is rarely smug about it. Why don't you study his approach and try to humble yourself a little?...Make that a lot!All is this is off topic and the last I have to say about it.

Good post on #62 Bolder-dash and I agree with everything you said 100%IC

Thank you for offering to give me the knee "lol" and I would love to here how evolution invented the knee along with all the muscles, soft cartilage interiors and buffering fluids that help give it smooth function but I would rather fast forward and address a much, much more problematic issue for evolutionists.Besides the over 1200 components briefly mentioned previously, we also need to acknowledge all the other systems that directly support the Musculoskeletal system and in fact could not exist without the following;
The Neurological System; The Respiratory System and The Circulatory System. And lets not overlook that little thing called the Brain.The FACT is my friend, every system within our bodies is dependent on each other for survival.
This is the fundamental underlying common sense test I mentioned earlier that ToE fails 100%!
ToE states everything slowly developed over eons of time step by step.I know this isn't a revelation for most of you but its time to quit sweeping this issue under the carpet.This is the big elephant in the evolutionary living room!Which order did the systems evolve and how would they survive the development process when they have to be complete to survive?
This is why smart people come to the conclusion that organisms had to come into existence suddenly, completely formed with all systems up and running....thus, there has to be a Creator.Crashfrog tried to say in the recent past that the Brain, eyes, flesh and the skull all evolved at the same time which shows how dumb he has to be. Show me where the ToE teaches that apart from the Crashfrog book of lies.You as Evolutionists have some splainin to do and hey,
I am all ears.