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Dr Adequate
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Message 4 of 65 (577530)
08-29-2010 1:21 PM
Reply to: Message 3 by Bolder-dash
08-29-2010 12:53 PM


You know, adopting a sarcastic tone in which to tell the exact truth doesn't make it one bit less true; nor does the word "Wahahaha" have any more power to abolish reality than, for example, the word "Abracadabra".
Yes, it is in fact ethical and scrupulous for scientists to catch and denounce unethical and unscrupulous practitioners. That would be pretty much the sine qua non of an ethical and scrupulous culture. If you can think of any other way for a culture to be ethical and scrupulous, then I'm sure that we'd all like to hear it; I am fairly sure that neither this nor anything else was communicated by the word: "Wahahaha".
We may with advantage compare the culture of science to a pseudoscientific culture such as creationism. If every creationist who made stuff up was kicked out of creationism, then we'd quickly reach the point where the last guy had to kick himself out.
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Dr Adequate
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Message 7 of 65 (577539)
08-29-2010 1:45 PM
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08-29-2010 1:24 PM


Wahhahaha...you are a riot, A.
You know how I explained to you that the word "Wahahaha" is not a magic word that abolishes reality?
Well, it also doesn't work if you add an extra "h".
But do please let me know if you can think of any reply to my post that involves actual English words arranged in grammatical sentences to form a substantive argument.

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Message 19 of 65 (577674)
08-30-2010 1:10 AM
Reply to: Message 11 by Bolder-dash
08-29-2010 7:23 PM


Surely you are not also going to claim that because a guy lie and cheated, and was caught by a major university, and they actually did something about it, that this is a great badge of honor for the scientific community are you?
No, that's just ordinary good practice.
It is, however, a shining example of virtue by comparison with creationists, faith-healers, and snake-oil salesmen.
The Catholic church also punished a few priests you know?
And concealed their crimes. If they'd turned all the kiddy-fiddlers in to the police, one would have nothing to say against them on this score.
I wonder what you think would be evidence for some LACK of ethics in the scientific community-if they never caught anyone cheating? If they never had written a letter demanding action, and never reprimanded anyone, would that mean that cheating must be rampant?
Scientists have the means, motive and opportunity to cheat. If no-one was ever detected in fraud we would have to conclude either that all scientists receive impeccable moral standards at the same time they get their BScs, or that no-one was bothering to look. And the presumption would have to be in favor of the latter.
If from now on no athlete was ever caught using performance-enhancing drugs, would you suspect (a) that the morality fairy had waved her magic wand and made all athletes honest from then on in, or (b) that someone had invented a completely undetectable performance-enhancing drug?
BTW, Freud was never rebuffed, or discredited.
If he was never discredited, what makes you think that he should have been?
He is still widely regarded today by many in the scientific community.
Who?

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Message 30 of 65 (577752)
08-30-2010 9:40 AM
Reply to: Message 25 by Bolder-dash
08-30-2010 7:48 AM


You completely missed the point about Freud. Freud falsified data. He completely made things up, and he created false patients. He was a fraud. The people who are discussing his ideas are not condemning him because of his falsified data, they are condemning his ideas ...
And since no-one condemned him for his falsified data, I guess it was left up to you to obtain a ouija board and extract a confession from his departed spirit.
Either that or someone did expose him so loudly and publicly that even you know about it.
Likewise, as archaeologist pointed out, it was not the great scientific community that uncovered his fraud, it was the students!
A professor's graduate students aren't part of the scientific community?
What are they, chopped liver?
Its also utterly ridiculous to even try to use any rationale to claim any type of ethical superiority from this instance-which was what the very first poster Jar attempted to do. "Oh, look at how great the scientific community is, someone cheated, and got caught! See how diligent, ethical, and honest the world of science is compared to the world of the mere debauched public."
Why are you pretending that he wrote that or anything like that?
To put it another way:
Come on, what level of stupidity do you think the readers of this site are apt to be fooled by?
Certainly not your clumsy efforts at deceit.

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