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Harvard Researcher May Have Fabricated Data

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08-29-2010 10:01 AM

This is a great example of the ethical culture that is Science and that seems to be lacking in Theology. In science, even withholding data that refutes your hypothesis is grounds for sanctions.
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This is an example of the scientific method at it's best.
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Anyone so limited that they can only spell a word one way is severely handicapped!
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jar
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08-29-2010 1:33 PM 		Reply to: Message 3 by Bolder-dash
08-29-2010 12:53 PM

Bolder-dash writes:
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Hahaha...catching someone in science using unscrupulous and fraudulent tactics to gain academic noteriety is evidence for the ethical, and scrupulous culture of science. Wahahaha.
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You guys are good.
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Actually yes it most certainly is. The important thing is that there is a culture of ethics in science that is enforced by the scientific community.
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The fact is that Science identified the problem and took actions to sanction the person.
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This is entirely different then the culture in Christian Creationism and the ID movement in particular.
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Take a look at the Wyatt Archaeological Research site or the Creation Museum where absolute falsehoods are not simply tolerated but celebrated.
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08-29-2010 9:47 PM 		Reply to: Message 13 by lfen
08-29-2010 9:40 PM

Ah, yes, contract and trade secret law.
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But that is outside of the scientific method.
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08-29-2010 10:27 PM 		Reply to: Message 15 by Bolder-dash
08-29-2010 10:08 PM

Are you trying to tell me that you don't believe that scientists who are hired by large companies like pharmaceutical companies or oil and environment companies, don't withhold data they know is damaging to their company, or skew results that paint their companies interests in the best possible light?
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Just look at virtually ANY self-funded research into the ill effects of a companies product and try to tell me you honestly believe this. It is not even possible to be that naive.
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Not at all.
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Do you read what I post?
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Contract and Trade Secret Laws do lead to what you describe. But that has nothing to do with the Scientific Method or the community of Scientists. And guess what, when that happens it is the Scientific Community that exposes such practices and sanctions the people involved.
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08-30-2010 11:09 AM 		Reply to: Message 26 by Bolder-dash
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Bolder-dash writes:
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Trade secret laws are the reasons industry sponsored scientific testing tends to produce results that favor those industries?
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No, nor did I say that.
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Trade Secret laws do prevent the Scientific Method from working. Part of the Scientific Method is open disclosure of data, methods, process, as well as conclusions.
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Trade Secret laws prevent that from happening.
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Anyone so limited that they can only spell a word one way is severely handicapped!
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