HOW MANY TEST do I need to do to know my computer is operating and functioning correctly. Should I keep repeating the test to see if its operating and operating correctly, while its operating

Here is one. Observe an organism, a micro-organism, watch its independent functions of coherently, logical and orderly operation and consistent behavior.Then draw a conclusion after you observe tens of thousands of other organisms, see if they operate in the same orderly, logical fashion, independently and in conjuntion with other organisimsDo thier parts operate in an orderly fashion to make the organism function properly and accurate fashion to achieve its purpose

How many test do I need to do to see that design is designing

dwise1 writes:Before embarking on this crusade to kill science, surely you had carefully studied ID. Surely you would have learned how it works and how it intended science to function after its transformation. Surely at least one of those ID "scientists" must have described it. After all, the most fundamental question is just exactly how science is supposed to function successfully after its transformation.

Wiki writes:Dr. Steven A. Austin is a field research geologist with a Ph.D. from Penn State University in sedimentary geology. He is Senior Research Scientist with Institute for Creation Research in Dallas, Texas. He has performed geologic research on six of the seven continents of the world. His research adventures have taken him by helicopter into the crater of Mount St. Helens volcano, by bush plane onto glaciers in the high mountains of Alaska, by raft through the entire Grand Canyon, on horseback into the high Sierra, by elevator into the world’s deepest coal mines, by SCUBA onto the Great Barrier Reef of Australia, by rail into the backcountry of Korea, by foot onto barren plateaus of southern Argentina, and by four-wheel drive into remote desert areas of Israel, Jordan and Saudi Arabia. He is the author of three books, three videos, one computer software package, and more than thirty technical geology papers.Dr. Austin’s field research within Grand Canyon includes over 400 nights camped out below the Canyon’s rim. He has launched 22 raft trips within Grand Canyon. He has explored very remote areas of Grand Canyon by mule, helicopter and ATV. His book Grand Canyon: Monument to Catastrophe and his DVD Grand Canyon: Monument to the Flood summarize his investigations. He has over ten technical papers on Grand Canyon. Subjects of his technical publications on Grand Canyon include lava dams, breached dams, fossils, limestones, sandstones, basalts, diabase sills and radioisotope dating. He is widely known for his discovery of the regionally extensive mass-kill and burial bed within the Redwall Limestone about 2000 feet below the Canyon’s rim.

I don't understand how anyone can justify claims that ICR scientists who have an impressive record of scientific research like this

P.S. I think it is a bit dubious using 'Wiki writes' when you are talking about something from the Creationwiki site. I think people would naturally assume you meant wikipedia.

Wounded King writes:P.S. I think it is a bit dubious using 'Wiki writes' when you are talking about something from the Creationwiki site. I think people would naturally assume you meant wikipedia.

ICR writes:

Creationist Worldview Catalog

The Creationist Worldview program, designed to be completed within approximately ten months, consists of 33 online courses divided into five study modules. Modules and courses are taken sequentially.

Participants in this comprehensive study program will build on these distinctive foundational platforms:

• An unwavering trust in the Bible

• A compassionate defense of the truth

• A clear awareness of transforming culture

• A heightened ability for critical thinking

• A joyful commitment to kingdom living

Worldview studies carefully guide students through powerfully-written course work, informative textbook readings, advanced testing, supplemental material and resources, all from top scientists, academicians, and theologians.

Click here to enroll in the Creationist Worldview Program.

Module 1: Foundational Truths from the Bible

• Course 1 - Introduction to Worldview Studies
• Course 2 - Understanding Key Presuppositional Issues
• Course 3 - Contrasting Christianity and Atheism
• Course 4 - Biblical Data and Scientific Implications
• Course 5 - The Dominion Mandate
• Course 6 - The Laws of Life and Death
• Course 7 - Conflicts in Text, Theology, and Science

Module 2: The Biblical Model for Creationism

• Course 1 - The Seven Days
• Course 2 - The First World and the Fall of Man
• Course 3 - The Nephalim and Noah's Flood
• Course 4 - The New World and the New Nation
• Course 5 - Stewardship, Death, and Preservation
• Course 6 - Science, Scripture, and Salvation

Module 3: Physical Science and Creationism

• Course 1 - Science and Common Sense
• Course 2 - Science and Issues of Origins
• Course 3 - Science and Geology
• Course 4 - Science and Radiometric Dating
• Course 5 - Science and the Fossils
• Course 6 - Science and the Flood of Noah
• Course 7 - Science and Problems with the Big Bang
• Course 8 - Science and Our Universe of Wonder

Module 4: Biological Science and Creationism

• Course 1 - Science and the Issues of Life
• Course 2 - Science and Intelligent Design
• Course 3 - Science and Molecular Biology
• Course 4 - Science and Natural Selection
• Course 5 - Science and Christian Ethics
• Course 6 - Science and Medical Ethics

Module 5: Stewardship and the Dominion Mandate

• Course 1 - Stewardship and Social Evolution
• Course 2 - Stewardship and Education
• Course 3 - Stewardship, Discovery, and Development
• Course 4 - Stewardship and Commerce
• Course 5 - Stewardship and the Rule of Law
• Course 6 - Stewardship, Government, and Politics

I don't understand how anyone can justify claims that ICR scientists who have an impressive record of scientific research like this are not qualified for accreditation

science has nothing to do with it at all.

Percy writes:In Module 3 they want to teach that science supports the Biblical events they outline in Module 2. Because science does not provide any support for these Biblical events, Texas will not provide accreditation for ICR's program.

not which wiki or other source of information

If not, it's your job to falsify the data cited.

Buz writes:Given the accredibility of research scientists like Austin, et al, one cannot simply waive it all off as as non-science, as you are implicating. Your allegation that no science supports events such as the Genesis flood is based on biased claims that the secularist premise is the only premise to which interpretation the observable evidence may be applied.

Ive already done this numerous times, please read the thread.

Yes you do have evidence for design. At its basic sources and beyond to more complicated organism, it operates independently as organism/s in a coherently, orderly fashion following laws to produce a specific purpose.

Sometimes that purpose is simple organisms operating independently of other organisms, with complicated functions in an orderly and accurate fashion, to produce a desired purpose

Why is there a requirement for the implementation by a designer, required for design, but no initiatior required for evo.

HOW do you see those natural processes AT WORK? Do they seem to be operating in a logical, orderly and complicated fashion? And do they OPERATE independent of you and me TO produce a purpose

How do the smallest organisms in the process you describe above, OPERATE? Would you say they operate in a orderly designed fashion to produce even a mutation, or would you say they operate in an illogical unorderly fashion?

I know what you are going for in mutation, but I will demonstrate that the mutation is a relative production, but the micro organisms that produce that mutation are complicated, designed little productions and demonstrate BEYOND ANY REASONABLE DOUBT DESIGN

I/we use the exact same techniches you use to determine whether data is factual and evidential. You just dont like the inferences from our scientific conclusions

then simply demonstrate that thier organization IS NOT organization. You cant simply dismiss design by ASSERTING that order is not taking place in these organisims, you have to demonstrate it

The Institute for Creation Research is apparently conceding defeat in its lawsuit over the Texas Higher Education Coordinating Board's 2008 decision to deny the ICR's request for a state certificate of authority to offer a master's degree in science education from its graduate school.