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Author Topic:   New name for evolution, "The Bacteria Diet"
bluegenes
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Message 53 of 77 (578794)
09-02-2010 4:24 PM
Reply to: Message 21 by Bolder-dash
09-02-2010 1:30 AM


And the vegetable diet.
Bolderdash writes:
None of these types of simple mutations are creating any new kinds of potential structures.
Mutations can be demonstrated to create new structures. As you know, when the generation gaps are very brief, we can witness significant changes in the lab. with your favourites, the bacteria.
When generations are longer, there's another type of experiment we can make. We can cheat natural selection by selecting variations that we choose. In this way, we can see the potential of the random mutations to produce novelty far more quickly, and it illustrates the point that it's actually conservative natural selection that puts the brakes on evolution more than the variation produced by mutations.
So, you claim that mutations can't produce new structures. And, as usual, you're wrong. Mutations have produced all the edible stuff from the first plant.
Brassica Oleracea
Kohlrabi
Kale
Chinese Broccoli
Cauliflower
Romanesco Broccoli
Cabbage
Brussels Sprouts
Broccoli
All this (and more) from a common ancestor in just a few thousand years; instant geological time. For more details, see:
So, now you can add plants to your bacteria theory, and, if you actually understood the implications of what Taq is trying to explain to you, you'd be able to add animals as well.

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Message 60 of 77 (579410)
09-04-2010 1:50 PM
Reply to: Message 57 by Bolder-dash
09-04-2010 11:55 AM


New structures
Bolder-dash writes:
I was talking about the real evidence, not the ones in your mind.
Weren't you talking about new structures not coming from mutations, amongst other things? Have you recently realised that they do?

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Message 73 of 77 (579662)
09-05-2010 12:55 PM
Reply to: Message 72 by Bolder-dash
09-05-2010 9:50 AM


The bacteria theory gets bigger and broader.
Bolder-dash writes:
I would say I believe that random mutations happen to some species maybe (in fact I have no way of knowing if any of them are truly random, but perhaps a few are).
You could try thinking along the lines that, if only a small percentage are advantageous, then that would be a clear indication of general randomness. And you could certainly consider the detrimental ones as being random. Also, most are fairly close to neutral, and in their immediate effects, have no apparent point to them.
Bolder-dash writes:
And so as I said before, if one individual in a population is different from some others, at times this might save their life a little longer-for example a cripple who can't go outside to work in a field in Tanzania might be less likely to get eaten by a pack of wild heynas. does that mean that natural selection has selected for cripples in this case. I guess it does. I personally feel the term natural selection is so ambiguous that it means nothing much. Just that someone didn't die at one time when someone else did.
Which would inevitably lead to differential reproduction, wouldn't it?
Bolder-dash writes:
But the point of this thread is not just what evolutionists BELIEVE these mechanisms can do, the point is what they can actually show with evidence what these mechanisms can do. And so far, despite all of the repeated contentions that there is lots of evidence aside from the bacteria diet kind, there seems to only be talk of this evidence, not evidence of this evidence.
You shouldn't project your own inability to read evidence onto others. Biologists can look at the genomes of individuals in the same species, and see that the differences are the results of types of mutations they know from the lab.
When they've established common ancestry between two species, they can do the same thing. The quantity of mutations that make up the differences is just larger.
Even things that rarely go to fixation in a population group, like our fused chromosome 2, occur quite frequently. There are lots of perfectly healthy humans walking around today with a different number of chromosomes than the rest of us.
Bolder-dash writes:
The name for the Theory of Evolution should be changed to the bacteria diet theory.
I've already shown you in a post above how you can easily extend that to plants.
I'll help you to extend it to another Kingdom, as well, because there's plenty of research on fungi like this example.
Spontaneous Mutations in Diploid Saccharomyces cerevisiae | Genetics | Oxford Academic
So now you've got the theory of evolution of bacteria, fungi and plants + evidence of common descent + transitional fossils + plus evidence of mutation and selection in animal genomes etc.
Soon, you'll end up with the modern theory of evolution, and realise that the rest of us are just quicker than you.

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