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Author Topic:   Faith healing: why does god need to asked to heal people?
Phage0070
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Message 14 of 63 (579490)
09-04-2010 10:06 PM
Reply to: Message 12 by archaeologist
09-04-2010 6:42 PM


archaeologist writes:
then why did you leave God?
If you consider prayers which come about, are "answered", as being proof of God's existence then do you consider unanswered prayers proof that God does not exist?
Since you don't, how can that be anything but confirmation bias?

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Phage0070
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Message 17 of 63 (579559)
09-05-2010 12:54 AM
Reply to: Message 16 by archaeologist
09-05-2010 12:44 AM


archaeologist writes:
didn't say that did i? if one sees thousands of answered prayers then obviously they must come to the conclusion that God exists and is active with His creation.
Really? Even if thats out of tens of millions unanswered?
It has everything to do with determining if God is any more reliable than random chance.

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Phage0070
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Message 19 of 63 (579582)
09-05-2010 3:34 AM
Reply to: Message 18 by archaeologist
09-05-2010 3:24 AM


archaeologist writes:
we did not get the answer we wanted or expected.
How exactly is this distinguishable from there not being a being there at all, or a being that is indifferent to prayer?

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Phage0070
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Message 25 of 63 (579653)
09-05-2010 11:48 AM
Reply to: Message 22 by archaeologist
09-05-2010 7:10 AM


archaeologist writes:
who said He wasn't there? ... who said He was indifferent?
Please keep in mind the rules of the forum which discourage ad hominem attacks. I have made no claims either about your god existing, or being indifferent. I simply asked how the behavior you propose your god has for prayer can be distinguished from one that does not exist, or is indifferent.
It might be that the method and track record your god uses to answer prayer does not make it possible to determine that there is any intelligence behind the behavior, and that you hold your beliefs about prayer for other reasons. I am simply trying to address the claim that cavediver witnessing a small portion of prayers apparently being granted should somehow be compelling proof to him/her that your god exists and is active.

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Phage0070
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Message 31 of 63 (579720)
09-05-2010 7:30 PM
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09-05-2010 5:07 PM


archaeologist writes:
practice what you preach in your first paragraph.
Asking a question which introduces possibilities that go against your belief system does not constitute an ad hominem or a factual claim. Pointing out that your defensiveness appears to be a transparent act of declaring victimization to avoid answering a simple question is also not an ad hominem, as I do not base the conclusion of my argument on the claim.
Please keep in mind forum guideline #4: "Points should be supported with evidence and/or reasoned argumentation. Address rebuttals through the introduction of additional evidence or by enlarging upon the argument. Do not repeat previous points without further elaboration. Avoid bare assertions."
You have not supported your claim that a small proportion of seemingly answered prayers should be considered proof of an active or even existing god through reasoned argumentation. You have not provided any additional evidence or enlarged upon the argument when presented with rebuttals.
Please provide a reasoned response, or drop the bare assertion.

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