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Author Topic:   Faith healing: why does god need to asked to heal people?
caldron68
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Message 32 of 63 (579728)
09-05-2010 8:06 PM
Reply to: Message 27 by archaeologist
09-05-2010 5:18 PM


i put the Bible ahead of all fields of study and i do not compromise what i believe. whichis why i can say there is no micro-evolution either--can't be because whenGod created he saw it was good so there is no need for micro-changes to improve any species.
Archaeologist, at first I thought that this was a mistake and that what you really meant to say was "macro" evolution. But no! you mean micro-evolution and you have convinced yourself that all of the cold hard facts that support micro-evolution are not facts at all.
Yes, Genesis tells us that God created everything and that he saw it all as "good". Unfortunately, the Bible does not go on to say that micro-evolution was not part of God's plan. The fact that micro-evolution has been proven a thousand times over should tell you something about your own personal interpretation of the Bible. God did not detail how he created life in the Bible and he certainly didn't tell us that evolution was not of his making.
One more thing to consider on this subject. The story of Noah tells us that Noah loaded 2 of each "kind" on to the Ark. Not 2 of each specific species, but 2 of each "kind". Well in order for us to have the diversity of life that we have today from a small starter pool of just 2 of each kind, you must have evolution, both macro and micro.
Cheers,
--Caldron68

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caldron68
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Message 33 of 63 (579731)
09-05-2010 8:15 PM
Reply to: Message 15 by archaeologist
09-05-2010 12:40 AM


Except in the case of amputees, where it seems to require rather a larger number. More than seven billion, apparently.
ahh the amputee perspective. God is not forced to heal everyone and why He does not heal more than He does is up to Him and He has His reasons.
Ahhhh, the typical Christian response. God works in mysterious ways... No, in this case God has NEVER chosen to heal an amputee. In all of recorded history, not one man has had a limb grow back after an amputation. This is not God working in mysterious ways, this is proof that God simply does not exist.
By the way, you said you had a way to prove that God exists. Well, I would be really interested in a description of this proof.
Cheers,
--Caldron68

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caldron68
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Message 41 of 63 (579848)
09-06-2010 10:28 AM
Reply to: Message 39 by archaeologist
09-06-2010 5:03 AM


yes it does, read Gen 1:30
Gen 1:30 says....
30 Also, to every beast of the earth, to every bird of the air, and to everything that creeps on the earth, in which there is life, I have given every green herb for food; and it was so.
Please explain to me how this explains that evolution is not part of God's master plan.
Evolution, or specializations among like species, is a scientific fact. What you fail to see is God's glory in his own works.
that is where you are wrong again neither exist nor did God use them. you forget how genes are designed to work and they do not require any form of evolution. evolutionists are just trying to steal God's glory.
So there's a distinction between how genes work and evolution as an engine of change? You REALLY need to explain this one because if you're saying there's another path towards macro/micro changes within and across species, you need to get it down on paper and prepare to receive your Nobel prize.
prove it for i know that is false as we have the gospels recording Jesus healing the lopped off ear of a person who came to arrest him.
what you mean to say is you have willfully chosen to distort the idea of healing to justify your unbelief. amputees are healed, just not in the way they want. if the limb didn't come off, they would die. if the limb didn't heal from the amputation, they would die.
God heals amputees but He heals them in the way He WANTS because He knows that the amputee is asking for restoration not healing.
the rest of the comments are not worth replying to as they come form those who are not sincere and just want to make trouble.
My unbelief IS justified by the fact that in all of recorded history, no man has ever had a limb restored after an amputation. The Bible is not an authoritative source on whether amputees have been restored or not. The Bible is filled with fantastic stories that are not supported by reality (Jonah and the Whale). And lest you forget, Luke 22:50 simply says that Malchus was "healed". It does not say that he was restored. There's a big difference and you have chosen to use this passage to prove that God does indeed restore amputees. Sorry, you can't have it both ways. If God can "restore" (your words) Malchus, he can restore others, but of course there is absolutely no evidence for this outside of the Bible.
My disbelief is well justified. God chooses to heal/restore in an arbitrary and capricious way. More specifically, God chooses to heal/restore only those ailments that may move into remission on their own.
By the way, I'm still waiting for that "proof" of God's existence.
Cheers,
--Caldron68
Edited by caldron68, : Edited for syntax.

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