The Flood = many coincidences

***Your complete ignorance of geology does indeed give you the "freedom" to write about geology absolutely unconstrained by knowing anything about geology. This is not, however, an advantage. It's a handicap.***Contrair... To me it is quite obvious that geologists truly lack understanding of the power of volcanism. Moreover, your akin lack very basic understandings of mechanics and physics. This deficient understanding of very basic scientific principals shows me how gullible folk are in your field, perhaps due to lack of a backbone and it’s addiction to pathetic theories that are non-scientific. Oh, the earth has plates and they bash ‘n crash into each other at /year. Absolutely pathetic. Plate tectonics is nothing but THE largest pile of scientific excrement that the entire scientific community has swallowed due to its blindness and whimsical ideas that continents float about the earth and rearrange themselves like a Rubix cube. What a joke.Your plate tectonic science is worthless. All you guys have to do is put together some BS writing and say blah blah blahplate tectonics.blah blah blahtectonic plates. Get a little clap from your peers at a GSA conference and your ‘good’ to go. Never mind HOW rocks are stacked Nooo, stay away from the power needed to do so, don’t touch that with a 10 foot pole because it will destroy everything in its path.***I see that you are also enjoying the extraordinary liberation that comes from being pig-ignorant about architecture. And, indeed, architects, or you would not ascribe your extraordinary delusions to any of them, let alone all of them.***Mmm hmm there Doc Aqua and who do you suppose built those massive ancient cities in Mesopotamia? The damn monkeys???

***The earth blew up? Some things don't even require refuting. This is one of those things.***And as we speak Eyjafjallajkull is wreaking havoc. Nope. The earth has never blown up. It’s all just a Hollywood illusion these silly volcanoes. Eyja is just a ‘small’ rascal too.Your comments re Dinos are noted. The Dino remains that I have seen in the field are hardly recognizable. This is the case for most finds certainly. Therefore scientists must be creative to piece together the poor obliterated animal and whatever comes out is a dinosaur, or a giant turkey.

***This is great stuff, have you considered being a comedy act in the creationist circuit?***There is a plethora of evolutionary material to poke fun of for sure. Could be an interesting career change, however, given that my profession deals with solving real problems with real science, then I’ll do the comedy thing as a side show

***I am fascinated by the image of the footprints from one of their moonlit strolls down Flintstone Beach (not that there's anything wrong with that) being blown sky high and then somehow reassembling in mid-air as they flutter down to their final resting place for future creationists to discover.***Post-Flood super-eruption wipe-out for the Flintstones. The Flood was total obliteration. Yeah, I'll go BIG.

***Why not start study at the university and prove what you are saying?***And learn what mind you? Perhaps about ‘micro plates’??? This is another geological joke the World Cup Plate Tectonic demolition derby didn’t plate out so geologists came up with their wacky ‘mini-plate’ concept. How cute. Now we have the bumper-car demolition derby action. What a hoot! The next time I hire a survey and geotech firm to provide valuable info on a tract, I’ll tell them Hey Joe, be sure to map those mini-plate lines on your survey for me. Those geologist say these dudes built these massive greywackle mountains, and if those mini rascals start to move, they’ll certainly make a big mess! I don’t want to straddle any of those mini-plates with my building, nor have any services go across them. No way Jose.***You are so damn smart even I cannot imaging your greatness. Please prove your holy knowledge, thus we the evul baby-eating non-believers can see the light and praise -->Jesus<-- Period.

***Please in your own words show me logically why the the tectonic theory is wrong***Obviously you have not been paying any attention to my posts re the bunk plate tectonic theory. So perhaps I can sum things up for you (and for everyone else that is having difficulties with the fact that the plate tectonic theory is the high priest of junk science).Here are the main points:1) Movement. Or lack thereof.
2) Movement. Or lack thereof.
3) Movement. Or lack thereof.
4) Energy. Or lack thereof.
5) Brittleness. The present state of surface rocks (they are no longer in their plastic form).
6) Massive dessication/contraction. The present state of crustal formations.
7) Sedimentation. Movement of plates will not create sedimentary rocks. Period.
8) Volcanism. The evidence of massive volcanism everywhere negates geological features being formed by irrational plate movement, which is nil.
9) The Mid-Ocean Ridges are not ridiculous spreading centers.
10) The plate tectonic theory is the Joke of Geology and is making Earth scientists look like a herd of dumb-asses sucking on a giant Plate Tectonic pacifier entertaining the preposterous idea that a continent was high-tailing it the wrong way down a one-way street and slammed into another continent...Points 1-3 should be obvious. The laughable, pathetic joke of claimed mm/yr movement of plates is evidence enough that the theory is a farce. Its quite simple; NO movement = NO dynamics = NO energy to create geological features. Period. And mm/yr. movement in any direction is negligible.The very fact that surface rocks are brittle also negates movement. Surface rocks were deposited volcanically and aqueously, as well as a combination of both. Therefore the energy behind placement of rocks was indeed volcanic (as well as debris flow). Take any rock, sedimentary or igneous, and crush it, and they crumble. Therefore rocks no doubt were in their plastic form when deposited and are now dried and have contracted, stratified and are cracked and whacked. Is this process as result of a geology plate crash nursery rhyme at 5cm/year? Hardly. The deposition process of rocks is complete, and the smoke has cleared. And when the deposition process is taking place, the picnic is over — fish become fossils.The gaping hole in the sinking plate tectonic ship is the wimsilcal idea of sea-floor spreading. Scientists are misreading the MOR formation (not to mention that assigning spreading rates to the MOR’s is nothing but a mental exercise of futility). In other words, the forms read compression and not spreading. The fact that transform faults are a result of compressional shear negates any spreading idea, thus stopping the spreading scenario in its tracks. The reason earth scientists want the MOR’s to be spreading is to uphold the idea of Pangea breaking up ~200 million years ago. Pangea is not observed and can only be discussed on a very hypothetical level, YET it is indeed needed by evolutionists in order to support an old earth.Of course the PT theory was scoffed to begin with and rightfully so. But the spreading idea took hold and thus supported Pangea and evolution itself. Pangea is based on the childish idea of S. America cuddling up with Africa several moons ago. Yet the bathymetry of the coastlines of each Continent reveals that they DON’T (or didn’t) fit together like a kindergarten puzzle due to the submerged (and destroyed) landforms. But, geologists have duped themselves over their own cartoon diagrams of Pangea thus it is a psychological fact in the mind of those who profess this as science. Hence, the ocean crust is only ~200 million years old while the continents are billions of years old. And this is a fact as stated by the USGS, National Geographic, NOAA, and pretty much every other major scientific institution which inevitably will end up being the plate tectonic albatross around their necks sinking everyone of them into the pit of pseudo-scientific la-la-land.NO sea-floor spreading = NO plate tectonics = NO Pangea 200 million years ago = NO old Earth = No evolution. Simple. And since this epiphany of plate tectonics not even existing is extremely traumatic for most, shall I will offer my architectural services for help?

I have one comment from your post re "proof" of play... excuse me... plate tectonics.The "examples" you display are nothing but diagrams based on assumptions. Thus you and many others are utterly DUPED BY THE DIAGRAMS.

Pay close attention to the low confining pressure in your compression test example (we perform these tests on every concrete batch to observe strength via failure). ***Note the fracture patterns.*** If the shape of the sample was planar, the fracture patterns would match those of the MOR’s (i.e. transform faults & ridges). Hence the MOR’s are not irrational spreading centers but indeed were formed via massive compressional forces, i.e., they were buckled. I am not the only one who has pointed out this fact as even non-creationists recognize this (I do not heed to any expanding-earth theories btw). Of course this true observation has fallen by the wayside because it certainly puts a giant monkey wrench in the ever so beloved, ‘pucker-up and kiss it’, plate tectonic theory.Once this observable fact sinks into the cranium of those who have professed the geological MYTH of Continental Drift via plate tectonic sea-floor spreading, then it becomes obvious that the credibility of nearly the entire scientific community is in grave question. Therefore the politics of consensus agreement becomes the blinder that Earth science must place over their entire face to IGNORE the evidence that the sea-floor is not spreading nor active in this manner. It suffered major ‘event’ compression and is now just sitting there after successfully duping earth scientists into base thinking of oh the sea-floor spreads and sucks itself back upGPS and ground base measurements don’t support continental drift (never mind these too can be off by hundreds of feet, and soils tend to creep). I don’t negate that there is movement, yet this ‘inch-worm step’ per year movement does not create geological features. Never has and never will. Now Earth science is left with the deposition process itself, which is no longer occurring on any macro scale.

+++Dr. A has already picked apart most of your post,+++No he didn’t. He just stroked the plate tectonic peacock because it is what all Earth scientists are trained to do due to their dupeness of believing the diagrams. The theory is so engrained into them they cannot see past the irrational and illogical ideology that it is. Therefore it is the blind leading the blind.+++Note how most volcanic and earthquake activity occurs along plate boundaries.+++Not always the case. You will have to explain the massive volcanism in central Africa literally surrounding Victoria Lake far away from any subduction zone. Sure it’s a rift zone, but what opened up the rift to begin with? Looks to me like it blew up, big-time. Same goes for all of the massive basalt flows in the Sahara, India, North America, central S. America. Again, not even close to any alleged plate boundary of any kind. How the heck do you and everyone else who professes the PT myth reconcile these features? What about Valles Calderas? Opps, no plate boundary near there chap and you sure as hell didn’t want to be within 500 miles of that bad boy. The Black Hills formation. Looks to me like a massive eroded volcano, of course it is with all of the igneous volcanic resurgence in the center. Not near any "PT boundary", that sucker just blew up in the middle of the plains. I'd say about a 700 mile distance might have been safe for that one.+++But, wait, it gets better. The depth of earthquakes also varies at these boundaries, and they get deeper away from the edge along a slope following the line of the subducting plate!+++Oh boy, the earth is sucking itself up! These alleged subduction zones have angled faults. What massive force dredged out these oceanic pits and created angled faults? Oh, and never mind the lack of ANY sediment build-up after sucking up the ocean floor for only 200 million years (MAX declared by science because this is the maximum age of the ocean crust, while continents are billions of years old). I suppose the plate tectonic tinker bell just made all the sedimentation disappearWhy is the Pacific ringed with subduction zones but does not have any Mid-Ocean Ridge MOM’s to poop out and spread any ocean crust? Per the PT theory this has to occur, but WHERE is mummy? Please make something up to explain this anomaly of missing mummiesBut wait... True observation of the Pacific Ocean topography reveals massive land wrecks and the island forming volcanism (including Hawaii) are the remnant "gurgling" of this massive explosive/subsidence event that obliterated what was once dry land. True observation reveals that there are approx. 50,000 volcanic "hot spots" in the Pacific. Play tectonics? Nope. A massive destructive explosive watery event.

Ah the Earth-moving catastrophic events which fly in the face of Plate Tectonics as well as evolution.Yup, that’s what happens when the earth does move, not a bloody thing gets built, yet an earthquake is plate tectonics to scientists. Earth moves = rocks and buildings crumble, people and animals run for their lives but blame it on plate tectonics because science likes it because of ebowutionAgain, the nagging question to every Earth scientist is WHY is the Earth wrecked with so many faults, fissures and fossils? NOT plate tectonics continental bash ‘n crash, but due to a global event that wrecked the crust, i.e. when the Earth literally vomited for 150 days during the Great Flood.

Since sea-floor "spreading" cannot be tested (only assumed), now we are getting to the very heart of the matter;+++The success of this startling testable prediction did a lot to swing geologists towards the plate tectonics model.+++Testable spreading? How so? I have never seen a testable sea-floor spread. Simply because this test is unable to be performed in which magma upwells along a fault, then magically splits in half and floats in two opposing directions. And since this is indeed a volcanic action (or rather an assumed volcanic action), one would have to ponder deeply why this magmatic mechanism is NOT observed in any terrestrial volcanic edifice. When magma pours onto the surface, it tends to ooze in a radial pattern, NOT a knife split assumed spreading direction. This ides itself is preposterous.The compression scenario of the MOR formation however, can be tested (and repeated, i.e. true science) and is done so often in material mechanics (ASTM C873 is one of many). By simple observation of the compression test, the resulting fracture patterns can be predicted. These patterns due to failure of the material (truly no matter what type of detritus you place inside the test) will always yield similar results. Now compare these to the entire MOR formation and it becomes quite clear that they were indeed buckled due to axial loading. The continuous stress caused the transform faults to open up due to sheer (also explaining the ridge offsets). The ridges are caused by the buckling action of the load.Again, this observable, testable and repeatable science places a huge monkey wrench in the plate tectonic spreading scenario and stops it in its tracks. Of course since plate tectonics is the hound dog Elvis of evolution, it certainly won’t go down without a fight.For the innocent bystanders, here is an example of axial loading (the arrows on Dr. A’s examples are pointing in the wrong direction):CONTINENT--->===IIII===Edited by Architect-426, : clarity

Hi Doc,The vid of the Icelandic volcano of course is a fissure-type eruption in which magma is simply being ballistically ejected onto the surface and will dry wherever it lands. It is not, however, spreading the crust in any manner of the concept. Obviously the fracture opened first providing a linear conduit for the magma to rise vertically, not horizontally as per the irrational plate tectonic spreading idea.Iceland itself is indeed a plate tectonic anomaly as when one studies the bathymetry of the MOR formation, you can clearly see how Iceland formed due to a massive outpouring of basaltic lava OVER the MOR formation. Again, this copious eruption of magma did not spread apart the MOR, but spread out laterally on top of the MOR most likely due to massive crustal concussions that occurred during the Flood. I don’t negate the rifting occurring at the MOR’s, however dubbing the MOR’s as spreading centers when to this day I still have not seen a physical test to support such a concept (yet the compression scenario can be/has been tested), is simply an effort to support the childish idea of Pangea breakup all because scientists think that all of the continents used to be bunched up like a giant meatball. By all means, ignore all of the massive volcanism on all continents because sure enough when you have to address those, then poor ‘ol Pangea becomes nothing but a cartoon diagram and thus is only true in one’s imagination. Spherical mechanics are out the window as well. Heck, any kind of true mechanics is out the window with the foolish play tectonic theory.To answer your question as to the why no one has published a theory debunking sea-floor spreading, I can give two plausible reasons;One, since science is hell-bent on old-earth evolution, then Pangea had to exist in order for evolution to be true and thus support an ever-so-slow continental drift mythology. Thus plate tectonics has become the adopted bastard theory of geology and is referred to in every geological publication because the Earth is old due to the asinine sea-floor spreading idea. Dammit all to hell if anyone comes along to contradict the pet play toy plate tectonic theory with real scientific observations forever sending the theory into the throws of pseudo-science making just about the entire scientific community look pretty sheepish. Therefore no one in earth science speaks out against it (yet this is why we have groups like New Concepts in Global Tectonics).Secondly, perhaps few people have taken a fresh look at the overall PT theory and reveal it for the absurdity that it is. Therefore I am perhaps one of those few who is a PT "holdout" as there is no way in hell a mm/yr movement of any kind formed the surface of the Earth. The plate tectonic theory is ludicrous from A to Z, but according to science, everything on the crust of the Earth is due to some kind of whimsical continental collision.I had a professor who worked for the famed Architect Hugh Stubbins on the design of the Citi-Corp Building. He was a mean ‘ol cuss and I’ll never forget what he told an architecture student in jury about his high-rise building. He said your design is F’d up and ugly. Nothing else needed to be said. Student returns to studio with his tail tucked, scraps design and starts over. I’ll say the same for the asinine, irrational, non-observable nor testable plate tectonic theory; It is indeed F’d up and ugly, time to scrap it.

***im guessing that GPS data that america is moving away form Europe at about 2 cm per year (not actualy sure could be a bit more or less i forgot) would not convince you that plate Tectonics is still happening has happend and will be happening for a long long time.***I’m guessing that 2 cm/year is about as ridiculous as it comes in terms of plate tectonics actually doing anything. I’m also guessing that practically the entire scientific community, including yourself, does not realize how incredibly comical stating these alleged cm/yr of plate movement truly sounds. Therefore (no guessing on this one), plate tectonics is hopelessly impotent and is thus incapable of stacking rocks in situ. Perhaps some Viagra should to be injected into the lithosphere so the plates can, well, giddy up a bitAs far as accuracy of GPS in measuring these bastardized plates;GPS accuracy is affected by a number of factors, including satellite positions, noise in the radio signal, atmospheric conditions, and natural barriers to the signal. Noise can create an error between 1 to 10 meters and results from static or interference from something near the receiver or something on the same frequency. Objects such a mountains or buildings between the satellite and the receiver can also produce error, sometimes up to 30 meters.Source: GPS Accuracy - How Accurate is it? - Maps Gps InfoPlease note it says meters, not centimeters. I’m guessing this inaccuracy fact just flushed the cm/yr assumption of "plate" movement down the crapperSo is America really moving away from Europe at, 2cm/year? Or is it 3?? Maybe 3.5 Heck, lets push it to a whopping pedal-to-the-metal FOUR centimeters per annum That’ll do Now we can put this in a book telling everyone that the entire N. American continent, from New York to LA, is moving at a breakneck FOUR minimeters away from Europe. And we’ll even label the book as scienceHey! Did you hear about the near plate tectonic collisional miss in NYC? The Brooklyn plate was spreading west at 2cm/year heading right toward the Jersey plate. Luckily, the granitic Manhattan plate broke off from Ireland some 200 milliard years ago and floored it to 5cm/year and lodged itself right between Brooklyn and the Hudson palisades. That was a close call and the residents of Hoboken are cheering "hurrah" for plate tectonics...Edited by Architect-426, : changed heading

Hi Percy,Key word from your post - velocity. Since the (nil) velocity of "plates" truly cannot even be defined as velocity per se, much less translated into energy to "build" anything, then indeed plate tectonics is false in terms of creating geological features.Thus my entire argument regarding vertical tectonics and volcanism vs. "plate" tectonics, or the idea that land masses move with enough horizontal speed and "crash" into another landmass. This alleged plate tectonic notion is sheer nonsense as shperical mechanics and displacement completely negate this "lateral" type of motion, and is only supported by colorful diagrams to "explain" how this supposedly happens.Yet the fact remains; no velocity = no energy = no "plate" tectonic construction.

Edge,As I have already explained to Dr. A, the hands down deal-killer of the PT idea of alleged sea-floor "spreading" lies in the formation of the MOR's. In other words, these massive features in no manner were created by a mm/yr "sprading" of the ocean crust, especially in a "slow" manner (In fact, major geological features could never have been formed in a slow PT manner due to lack of energy).However, if the MOR formation can be better explained via the compression scenario due to axial loading, and can be modeled as such, then sea-floor "spreading" is indeed false. Do I have proof of this? Yes, and it can be demonstrated.For example, in construction we design expansion joints in slabs, walls etc. because we know that under certain conditions the concrete (or brick, cmu, etc) will expand. When this expansion occurs, the slab will buckle while also forming cracks (fissures) perpendicular to the load (a result from axial loading).This true observation can be applied to the MOR formation resulting from massive global movements literally compressing the ocean lithosphere into those impressive formations. Therefore, yes indeed I have a plausible alternative to the PT "spreading" concept. And one that is observed, can be tested and repeated and it makes sense.(In your post you asserted that I'm a "non-scientist", yet architecture embraces all of the sciences. Not to mention that God is The Architect of everything which is confirmed in the Scriptures. He asks Job a rhetorical question; "Where wast thou when I laid the foundations of the earth? Declare if thou hast understanding". )