Register | Sign In


Understanding through Discussion


EvC Forum active members: 64 (9164 total)
0 online now:
Newest Member: ChatGPT
Post Volume: Total: 916,877 Year: 4,134/9,624 Month: 1,005/974 Week: 332/286 Day: 53/40 Hour: 4/3


Thread  Details

Email This Thread
Newer Topic | Older Topic
  
Author Topic:   New life, and new life forms
onifre
Member (Idle past 2979 days)
Posts: 4854
From: Dark Side of the Moon
Joined: 02-20-2008


Message 4 of 59 (580375)
09-08-2010 9:52 PM
Reply to: Message 1 by subbie
09-08-2010 8:21 PM


Is bipedalism a particularly advantageous form such that we might expect it to be common throughout the universe?
I think the first question is, Is our environment most common and is it too particularly advantageous such that we might expect it throughout the universe?
Because if it's mostly planets with trees and water, I think wood pecking my be the most advantageous trait.
Other than that, I'm not much of a sci-fi novel reader so I couldn't help much. Never watched any Star-Trek either, or any of the other sci-fi shows except for X-Files.
Is it nothing more than mere happenstance that intelligence is most highly evolved in bipedal tetrapods or might a different body shape would just as well?
I think anything that finds itself with the environmental pressure that mammals found themselves in, has potential to be highly evolved in intelligence. Now, as to our level of it? Idk
But I do think intelligence is mere happenstance. But I say that with no authority on the matter.
- Oni

This message is a reply to:
 Message 1 by subbie, posted 09-08-2010 8:21 PM subbie has seen this message but not replied

  
onifre
Member (Idle past 2979 days)
Posts: 4854
From: Dark Side of the Moon
Joined: 02-20-2008


Message 28 of 59 (580485)
09-09-2010 10:56 AM
Reply to: Message 22 by Omnivorous
09-09-2010 12:09 AM


tempurature
If the sun is about 4.7 billion years old, and the most distant observed galaxy is at 12.8 billion light years, it seems there would be plenty of time for many intelligent species to evolve before us.
You would have to factor in the core tempurature of the universe, too, as it expands and cools off. Early galaxies may have experienced too high of an ambient temp to sustain life. Just as, in the future, it will be too cold to sustain life.
We may find ourselves in just the right conditions for life in the universe, and any intelligent species would have had to emerge almost at the same time, more or less, as us.
- Oni
Edited by onifre, : No reason given.
Edited by onifre, : No reason given.

This message is a reply to:
 Message 22 by Omnivorous, posted 09-09-2010 12:09 AM Omnivorous has replied

Replies to this message:
 Message 30 by Omnivorous, posted 09-09-2010 1:41 PM onifre has replied

  
onifre
Member (Idle past 2979 days)
Posts: 4854
From: Dark Side of the Moon
Joined: 02-20-2008


Message 32 of 59 (580520)
09-09-2010 3:49 PM
Reply to: Message 30 by Omnivorous
09-09-2010 1:41 PM


Re: tempurature
I don't think there is anything special about our galaxy, sun, or us. Of course, we can't know one way or the other, at least not just yet.
I agree, nothing special at all. But our Sun's formation relative to the Big Bang may have been at precisely the right time so that the core temp of the universe could sustain galaxies, that can sustain solar systems, that can sustain planets, that can sustain life.
Early galaxies, those closest to the Big Bang, would have found temp's too hot. Just as galaxies billions of years from now may find temp's too cold.
- Oni
Edited by onifre, : No reason given.

This message is a reply to:
 Message 30 by Omnivorous, posted 09-09-2010 1:41 PM Omnivorous has replied

Replies to this message:
 Message 33 by Omnivorous, posted 09-09-2010 4:42 PM onifre has replied

  
onifre
Member (Idle past 2979 days)
Posts: 4854
From: Dark Side of the Moon
Joined: 02-20-2008


Message 45 of 59 (580684)
09-10-2010 4:43 PM
Reply to: Message 33 by Omnivorous
09-09-2010 4:42 PM


Re: Galactic Habitable Zones
Why wouldn't many, if not most, habitable zone stars have supported the evolution of life, and possibly intelligence, billions of years before ours?
Well I'd say for any in the Milky Way, it is possible. But this would support my initial opinion that they would have to have started about when life on Earth emerged.
For early galaxies that formed, they were made up of mostly gas and dark matter, so fewer stars formed. And those stars that did form were of very high mass, and that type of star doesn't last very long - or rather, long enough to support a Earth-type evolution.
But I'm just going by what I recall reading, so if anyone can confirm or correct my assumtions here that would be helpful.
- Oni

This message is a reply to:
 Message 33 by Omnivorous, posted 09-09-2010 4:42 PM Omnivorous has not replied

  
Newer Topic | Older Topic
Jump to:


Copyright 2001-2023 by EvC Forum, All Rights Reserved

™ Version 4.2
Innovative software from Qwixotic © 2024