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Author Topic:   Are all Mutations harmful because creatures were designed?
Rei
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Message 7 of 39 (57870)
09-25-2003 9:07 PM
Reply to: Message 6 by Fred Williams
09-25-2003 8:46 PM


Re: Strawman
Um, Fred, transposition is part of the evolutionary model. Transposons are simply genes which do this at a higher rate of speed. For your proposed model to be correct, dogs would all need to have all of the genes for all of the other breeds, and have transposons deactivating them. This isn't remotely the case. Are you unaware of the progress from North Carolina State University and MIT's collaborative project to sequence the canine genome?
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Rei
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Message 9 of 39 (58004)
09-26-2003 1:07 PM
Reply to: Message 8 by Mammuthus
09-26-2003 4:09 AM


Re: Strawman
Not to mention that most lethal mutations would imply conception never occurring, or miscarriage shortly after conception. Only rarely would one expect a "time-delay" lethal mutation that would allow a child with such a mutation to make it to term.
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Rei
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Message 12 of 39 (58050)
09-26-2003 4:36 PM
Reply to: Message 10 by Fred Williams
09-26-2003 2:22 PM


Re: Strawman
Although fatal/sterile is a bit ambiguous (at what age? How consistently?), let it be know that I accept your graph for purposes of debate.
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typically survival
In modern times. Not through the vast majority of human history, even by a YEC timeline.
BTW, Fred, here's a prediction of evolution, would you care to make a wager on it? Since AIDS is so prevalent in many parts of Africa (as much as 1/3 of the population), and assuming that there are no successful abstinance/protection campaigns in the area, evolution would predict that these people will end up with a mechanism to either A) be resistant to contracting the disease, or B) be able to fight the disease in such a way as to either get rid of it or be able to live with it.
What does Fred and creation predict?
BTW, everyone - notice how Fred seems to have dropped his argument that mutations can't improve the efficiency of a reaction, after I showed him how easy it was to find examples of improved reaction by mutations? Or have you not dropped it, Fred?
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Rei
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Message 16 of 39 (58070)
09-26-2003 6:34 PM
Reply to: Message 14 by Fred Williams
09-26-2003 6:15 PM


Re: Chihuahua owner?
Average Chihuahua lifespan: 15 years. Average wolf lifespan in captivity: 15 years (depending on subspecies, they average 4-15 years in the wild)
The adaptation discussed malaria is A) *not* serious, and only rarely causes problems, and B) malaria, even on a YEC timeline, has been - throughout most of its history - a very deadly disease. Only in recent history has it it become less deadly. I challenge you to agree to the following: "If I had to live in western Africa, without modern medicine or prevention options, I would rather risk being infected by a disease which even with modern controls infects 300-500 million people per year, and which used to be fatal to the majority of people who got it, than to have a gene which has a possibility of giving minor kidney problems.". Will you actually say that? "Goofy" is the only word I can use to describe someone who would choose that.
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Adding a'new' and different allele to a population's gene pool can only increase the amount of information in that gene pool.
Not true. If you know of any scientist in the field of information theory who believes this, please let me know so I can add his name to my black book of quacks.
Fred: Would you consider that duplicating a gene could *reduce* the amount of information in the genome? No? Then it can only have the *same* or *more* amount of information. If you're arguing that ending up with "more" information is impossible, that's a topic for another thread.
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In fact I would say molecular biologists constitute about 30% of our voting members (which is now 650+ strong just for our YEC organization alone)
Yes. But how many steves do you have??
http://www.ncseweb.org/article.asp?category=18
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