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Vacate
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Message 361 of 752 (580460)
09-09-2010 7:35 AM
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09-09-2010 7:12 AM


Re: What's the problem?
E. coli digesting citrates
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frako
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Message 362 of 752 (580461)
09-09-2010 7:37 AM
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09-09-2010 7:27 AM


Re: What's the problem?
The world's largest DNA scan for familial autism has uncovered new genetic changes in autistic children that are often not present in their parents. Identified in less than 1 percent of the population, these rare variants occur nearly 20 percent more in autistic children.
http://www.sciencedaily.com/...ases/2010/06/100609131637.htm
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Nij
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Message 363 of 752 (580463)
09-09-2010 8:06 AM
Reply to: Message 358 by Huntard
09-09-2010 7:03 AM


Re: What's the problem?
The old classic: bacteria developing the ability to metabolise nylon dimers.
Linky-slinky.
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jar
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Message 364 of 752 (580471)
09-09-2010 8:40 AM
Reply to: Message 348 by dennis780
09-09-2010 12:03 AM


Re: Claims
If he has no living decendants, this would support the theory of a flood, since all of mankind today would have been decendants of Noah. If a global flood did happen (though this is not currently the subject of debate), the levels of pollen would have changed dramatically, as well as altering any other samples used to give him his supposed age.
First, there was no Biblical Flood. That has been totally refuted. Even Oetzi's existence refutes the flood. Think. He was found in a glacier. If he had died thousands of years before the flood, then somehow submerged in water for a frikken year and a half, just what would you expect to be left?
And even if true, how would the flood have altered anything related to him? The skins he wore. the pollen in him, the tools and arrows he had, the blood on him the shoes on his feet and grasses in the shoes, the herbs and shrooms in his tote bag, how exactly could some imagined flood change those things without leaving any traces of being in water for a year or more?
How do you run Oetzi through a flood and not separate him from the arrows, the axe, the pouch, his clothes, his shoes...
Though the number may be correct, I don't think it's fair to say they know for sure how old he was when he died. Global flood aside even, the levels of any natural substance changes over time, and no one could possibly know what those were over 5000 years ago.
Why? As we grow our bones and teeth change. It's possible to look at signs of wear, at which teeth are present, which bones have grown, things like skull fusing, and arrive at an approximate age.
In addition, we most certainly can tell what different levels of naturally occurring substances have been over time by looking at the evidence over time. Oetzi is a great example of evidence that tells us what the levels of substances were at the time he lived.
Oetzi is evidence.
The Biblical Flood is myth.

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Message 365 of 752 (580491)
09-09-2010 12:02 PM
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09-09-2010 8:06 AM


Re: What's the problem?

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dennis780
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Message 366 of 752 (580984)
09-12-2010 7:09 PM
Reply to: Message 351 by Coyote
09-09-2010 12:14 AM


Re: Flood disproved by science
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In my own archaeological research I tested a site recently that was dominated by a component we dated at about 5,600 years ago.
First, you mean: dated at 5,600 years old, not years ago, otherwise the date changes as time goes on.
Second, which method of dating did you use?
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And we could tell a great deal about how the people who lived there were making their living.
Though I am sure that there were people there, the specfic forms of dating are what I am interested in.

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Message 367 of 752 (580987)
09-12-2010 7:14 PM
Reply to: Message 366 by dennis780
09-12-2010 7:09 PM


Re: Flood disproved by science
...which method of dating did you use?
Radiocarbon dating, along with artifact typologies and stratigraphy. Also obsidian hydration, but that is nowhere near as accurate.

Religious belief does not constitute scientific evidence, nor does it convey scientific knowledge.

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Message 368 of 752 (580994)
09-12-2010 8:49 PM
Reply to: Message 22 by subbie
06-22-2010 1:59 PM


Re: Genetic Information
subbie writes:
ICant writes:
where did all that information come from?
The new genetic material, assuming this is what you mean by "information," came from mutations.
Yea, ICant. Abiogenic life developed from premordal soup to simplest life which naturally increased simple genitic information which mutated additional information all the way from simplcity to all of the complex genetic information observed today in billions of life forms, void of any intelligent design. Truly amazing! :

BUZSAW B 4 U 2 C Y BUZ SAW.
The immeasurable present eternally extends the infinite past and infinitely consumes the eternal future.

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Message 369 of 752 (580995)
09-12-2010 8:57 PM
Reply to: Message 11 by Percy
06-21-2010 8:17 AM


Re: Evolution Proven Wrong Again (Bump)
Percy writes:
Hasn't evolution been proven wrong again, as described in the July, 2010, issue of Scientific American? Apparently fully developed birds existed along side dinosaurs. How about that, no evolution from theropod dinosaurs of the late Cretaceous, and no post-extinction evolutionary radiation into suddenly empty ecological niches, fundamental claims of evolution.
I see no responses to this, Percy, so I'm bumping it up to see if there's any takers on.
Btw, all I could get up from your July 2010 link on this was an advertizement from the home page.

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crashfrog
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Message 370 of 752 (580996)
09-12-2010 9:02 PM
Reply to: Message 368 by Buzsaw
09-12-2010 8:49 PM


Re: Genetic Information
Abiogenic life developed from premordal soup to simplest life which naturally increased simple genitic information which mutated additional information all the way from simplcity to all of the complex genetic information observed today in billions of life forms, void of any intelligent design. Truly amazing!
It is, isn't it? Maybe you're getting a sense of the deep wonder and amazement those of us feel who have the privilege to study the biological sciences.
You could read all the works of Shakespeare in a semester. The Bible in a year. Two years and you could have the entire canon of Great Works under your belt.
Take a square meter of your lawn and you could spend a dozen lifetimes studying the biology, chemistry, and ecology of the myriad of species located therein - and God had nothing at all to do with any of it.
Yes, it's amazing!

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jar
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Message 371 of 752 (580997)
09-12-2010 9:06 PM
Reply to: Message 369 by Buzsaw
09-12-2010 8:57 PM


Re: Evolution Proven Wrong Again (Bump)
He was just danglin the worm in front of Swamp Donkey who as expected, did not even take a nibble. Peers Swamp Donkey jess didn't like the odds and so swam on off.

Anyone so limited that they can only spell a word one way is severely handicapped!

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Dr Adequate
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Message 372 of 752 (581020)
09-12-2010 11:39 PM
Reply to: Message 369 by Buzsaw
09-12-2010 8:57 PM


Re: Evolution Proven Wrong Again (Bump)
I see no responses to this, Percy ...
That's 'cos he was joking. It's just another variant on the old "Why Are There Still Monkeys?" thing.

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Huntard
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Message 373 of 752 (581052)
09-13-2010 8:39 AM
Reply to: Message 365 by Taq
09-09-2010 12:02 PM


Re: What's the problem?
As Percy mentioned in Message 156 in the Is there any proof of beneficial mutations? thread:
The evolution of a lighter pelt in Deer Mice. Link
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frako
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Message 374 of 752 (581054)
09-13-2010 9:11 AM
Reply to: Message 369 by Buzsaw
09-12-2010 8:57 PM


Re: Evolution Proven Wrong Again (Bump)
Percy writes:
Hasn't evolution been proven wrong again, as described in the July, 2010, issue of Scientific American? Apparently fully developed birds existed along side dinosaurs. How about that, no evolution from theropod dinosaurs of the late Cretaceous, and no post-extinction evolutionary radiation into suddenly empty ecological niches, fundamental claims of evolution.
il bite just give me the link to the actual article
observed today in billions of life forms, void of any intelligent design. Truly amazing! :
im guessing when this intelegent designer made the Proteus anguinus he forgot to take the eyes out when he coverd them whit tissue, and he thaught it would be fun to leave a remains of a tail in humans just to see if they can come up whit a silly argument like evolution to explain it.
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Huntard
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Message 375 of 752 (581056)
09-13-2010 9:26 AM
Reply to: Message 374 by frako
09-13-2010 9:11 AM


Re: Evolution Proven Wrong Again (Bump)
Here you go, you'll need a subscription to "Scientific American" to view the entire article, though.

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