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Dr Adequate
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Message 11 of 112 (581291)
09-14-2010 10:43 PM
Reply to: Message 1 by archaeologist
09-14-2010 5:47 PM


If you mean --- why does the average atheist know more about the Bible then you do, then the answer is obvious. Having read your posts, it is painfully obvious that the average atheist knows more about everything than you do.

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Message 16 of 112 (581331)
09-15-2010 4:14 AM
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09-14-2010 5:47 PM


if people want to believe, then it is none of the atheist business, if people want to preach it, it is none of the atheist's business
None of my business.
Edited by Dr Adequate, : No reason given.

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Message 46 of 112 (581727)
09-17-2010 8:18 AM
Reply to: Message 45 by dwise1
09-16-2010 9:33 PM


Re: Where Do You Think Atheists Come From?
Also, several deconversion stories that I've read described the turmoil that the person went through and their desperate efforts to reconcile the problems they saw in their religion, which included deeper and more determined study of the Bible.
Actually, I did a quantitative study of deconversion stories. From that sample, simply reading the Bible has deconverted more Christians than anything else has.

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Message 88 of 112 (585373)
10-07-2010 6:31 PM
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10-07-2010 4:34 PM


Re: Atheists value human life just as much as anyone else.
The problem here is that so much of your sentiment is probably based on Judeo/Christian ethics to begin with.
Someone said they saw on a train a little child sitting on the lap of a parent and trying to smack the parent in the face. Without the child sitting on the parent's lap it would not be able to reach the face of the parent to slap it.
So when I hear a lot of athiests try to scold God it seems that they do so from the vantage point of having ingested so much Judeo/ Christian ethical philosophy to begin with.
How much of your sentiment about the worth of man, the good works of humanitarian activity is inspired perhaps subconsciously, by something in the Bible ?
You sit there and scold God and believers in God about the worth of people, freedom from hunger, good deeds, liberation, the sparring of the innocent, justice, etc.
So while you are sitting there wagging your finger in God's face, your positioned on the lap of a lot of Judeo/ Christian morality that is at the foundation of this Western culture.
In order to get close to God to give Him a good slap you have to be positioned on a lot of ethics and morality you derived from Judeo / Christian worldview.
You didn't derive all that ethical thought from Stone Henge or the Egyptian Ra.
But a moment's thought would show you that this is nonsense.
The atheist (often explicitly) rejects all specifically Judeo-Christian "morality", such as the necessity to stone to death unruly children or to abstain from eating lobsters.
But atheists adopt that morality which comes naturally to all humans, such as the Golden Rule:
You shall love your neighbour as yourself. --- JUDAISM: Leviticus 19.18
Treat others as thou wouldst be treated by thyself. --- SIKHISM: Adi Grandth
Desire not for anyone the things that ye would not desire for
yourselves. --- BAH' FAITH: Gleanings 66
That nature is only good when it shall not do unto another whatever is
not good for its own self. --- ZOROASTRIANISM: Dadistan-i-Dinik
All things whatsoever ye would that men should do to you, do ye even
so to them: for this is the law and the prophets. --- CHRISTIANITY: Matthew 7.12
Not one of you is a believer until he loves for his brother what he
loves for himself. --- ISLAM: Forty Hadith of an-Nawawi
Hurt not others with that which pains yourself. --- BUDDHISM: Udana 5.13
Regard your Neighbour's gain as your own gain and your neighbour's
loss as your own loss. --- TAOISM:T'ai Shang Kan Ying P'ien
Never do to others what would pain thyself. --- HINDUISM: Panchatantra 3.104
Do not do to others what you do not want them to do to you. --- CONFUCIANISM: Analects 15.23
"That which you hate to be done to you, do not do to another." --- ANCIENT EGYPTIAN: untitled late period hieratic wisdom text
"What thou avoidest suffering thyself seek not to impose on others." --- GREEK PHILOSOPHY: Encheiridion of Epictetus
Now Christianity takes our basic human impulses to good, abrogates them to itself, anthropomorphises them as God, and then tells me in his name to go and burn an unbeliever or fight a holy war or at the very least to worship a deity who is, however you slice it, a genocidal maniac.
It derives its vestige of legitimacy from universal concepts of morality which it demonstrably did not in fact supply --- demonstrably because they are universal. And then, perched on the lap of what is in fact human thought, it uses this position to give it a good slap in the face.
Edited by Dr Adequate, : No reason given.

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Dr Adequate
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Message 95 of 112 (585397)
10-07-2010 10:41 PM
Reply to: Message 85 by jaywill
10-07-2010 4:34 PM


Absurdity
Man is absurd.
Some more so than others, of course.
The sort of man I find particularly absurd is the guy who, not himself being an atheist, will nonetheless tell atheists what they think instead of asking them.

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