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archaeologist
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Message 1 of 112 (581236)
09-14-2010 5:47 PM


they do not believe it to be true, they claim their is no evidence to support its record,, they say it is a human book and people who follow christianity are following an imaginary sky jockey (to use their venacular) and they do not believe in the miracles, in the life changes brought about by belief in Jesus and reject all proofs that support the christian faith and the Bible.
Phillip Davies is a prime example of this as in one lecture he states that he loves the Bible and has studied it for 50 years (now about 60) yet he denies most of it and when shown actual evidence he just closes his eyes and says 'it did not happen' .(this last one was done in an t.v. documentery interview and the former was the lecture entitled Te Intellectual, The archaeologist and the Bible, 2001)
so since the atheist doe snot believe the Bible to be true and that there is no God, why then are they obsessed with christianity and attack it at every turn? if people want to believe, then it is none of the atheist business, if people want to preach it, it is none of the atheist's business, if people want to use faith healing on their children, it is none of the atheist's business.
and on we can go with that list. the atheist wants to practice their unbelief in peace yet they will not allow the believer to pactice their beliefs in peace. if a family wants to go to church and have christian ideas taught in public school, then it is none of the atheist's business. if they do not like it, they can build their own schools and avoid the church buildings.
the atheist has NO authority to determine what other people do in their own families, they only have to deal with raising their children properly and that includes teaching them to mind their own business. All parents and governments must give an account for their actions thus the atheist should be wise and focus their attention on their responsibilities and not the responsibilities of others.
if they do not like what others do, too bad, they do not get a say in those family affairs especiallysince they refuse to allow the christian the same right of interference in their own families.
this obsession with the Bible, God and christians demonstrates that the ible is true, that God does exist, and christianity is not pie in the sky because these same peopel do not attack any false religion or their writngs as they do the Holy Bible and christianity.
what are they afraid of? clearly they are afraid because they know they are wrong and do not have the stones to admit it nor repent from their sins because they think they will lose much.
so let's see if the atheists and secualrists on this board can be honest in this discussion and state why they are so obsessed with Christianity and the Bible. If it is false then why are they so worried about it? if it is false why should they have to force secular science its theories on everyone? if evolution were true then why are they afraid of creation being taught in schools? (evolution is not science so they cannot use it as a defense, for their experiments are all artificial and do not replicate one true claimed evolutionary change)
if creation and God are false then why are the atheist so bent on hindering its efforts? everyone knows that if something is false it will be dropped by everyone except by the most diehard fanatics. yet all false religions use the Bible and its stories in their teacings as they know you need partial truth to deceive people and con them out of their money.
so the ball is in the atheist court and let's see them use real evidence to back up their points.
Edited by archaeologist, : No reason given.

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archaeologist
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Message 18 of 112 (581336)
09-15-2010 5:40 AM
Reply to: Message 3 by jar
09-14-2010 7:49 PM


i opnly have about an hour so i will only respond to those comments i deem are honest. i may not get to everyone but i will try.
and that is that they are PUBLIC schools.
yet christians are part of that public and deserve the right to have their faith taught their children.
If you wish to see your particular version of Christianity, then of course you are free to do so, but NOT to impose your beliefs on the rest of society.
then build your own schools and pay your own salaries etc. the christians have a right to a free public education that is not filled with lies or secular ideas and they have the right , since they pay school taxes, to have the education they want.

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archaeologist
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Message 19 of 112 (581337)
09-15-2010 6:00 AM


sorry have to go general as there are just too many of you to reply to one at a time:
You came to our website, friend
yet your discussions and attacks on christianity were present long before i cam ehere and many were not filled with christian participation.
Atheist attacks on Christianity are primarily a form of self-defense
yet true christians do not attack. we do preach the truth and we are commanded to do so by a higher authority than you can conjure up. sadly some do not do it in love.
Why do we do it with the Bible? Because it's relatively easy to know more about the Bible than your average Christian, who is content to open it only at church and only to the pages told to him by the minister. And because Christians hold it as authoritative - thus, arguments that turn the Bible against Christianity are very vexing to Christians.
most atheists probably do know the Bible better than the majority of christians. many of us are lazy o busy or do not take the time we need to to study. that is one of the failures of the christian world.
the Bible is THE authority and you can't turn the Bible against itself for you do not understan dit or its teachings. you misapply terms, i.e. 4 corners of the world' or you ignore reasonable explanations, i.e. 'all sailors use that term' thus it becomes impossible to discuss with you becaus eof your closed minds.
Abuse and neglect of children is everybody's business.
not really as you are applying a very subjective standard, one that fits your mentality an dnot the truth. atheists do not know enough to claim abuse or neglect.
government's burden to save the person from needless death
this cannot be guaranteed nor proven. it is easy to claim that a simple procedure would save th elife BUT as I have shown, a simple procedure does not always come through and the person dies anyways.
Teaching religion in public schools has nothing to do with atheism, it is against the establishment clause to the 1st amendment of the Constitution.
link
Again it is not the atheist who is trying to tell a person how to raise his children, it is the government which sets certain standards which if not followed, will result in either arrest or the taking of the child from the parents. Again this will occur to anyone, not just theists.
distortion for atheists are part of the government or legal system.
Please provide one proof.
read this forum, bart ehrman, phillip davies, richard dawkins and a host of other atheistic writers.
Christians will do everything within their power to force their beliefs on everybody and anybody who does not share their same ideals.
so do atheists. remember the father who fought the words in the pledge of allegience?
It is a truism that almost any sect, cult, or religion will legislate its creed into law if it acquires the political power to do so, and will follow it by suppressing opposition, subverting all education to seize early the minds of the young, and by killing, locking up, or driving underground all heretics.
so do atheists, the 10 commandments flap in alabama. communist russia, china, north korea and so manyothers. atheists have no foundation and are no better than those they accuse.
Folks can believe what they want, but when they start forcing their beliefs on the rest of us it's time to fight back
keep that in mind when people fight back against your efforts to force your beliefs (unbeliefs) on others.
Even though I dont believe in God as a sentient being I see all kinds of truth in the bible. From the wisdom of the ten commandments to the sorrow of Ecclesiastes to the joy of the Song of Songs. JC was pretty cool too.
yet you do not believe. admiring something doesn't get you to heaven nor makes your life better.
Quoted from memory from a radio newscast circa 1990, give or
take half a decade)
i have about 30-40 dvds with lectures, t.v. shows that interview scholars and phillip davies was in one for about 25 seconds at best. do you really think i would remember all the details...get realistic.
We know that ignorance doesn't work, because we've already tried it!
yet ignorance still reigns in american education because people ignore the truth and pursue what they want all in the name of 'freedom'. with freedom comes great responsibility {whoever said it first can have the credit} but no one wants the repsonsibility of presenting the truth and standing with it, they are too afraid they will not be re-elected. ignorance isn't a christian problem it is a secular one.
God has already told the christian to get wisdom, knowledge and understanding, and if the christians do not then they are in disobedience to God not the world.
shouldn't you read these quotes and realize that if you are going to fight against evolution or against atheism, you should at least try to learn something about it first? That applies whether you are on the offensive against something as well as when you are having to defend yourself from attack, as is our case.
evolution isn't the truth an das i have shown not one 'evolutionary' experiemnt replicates one original claimed evolutionary change . it is not i who needs to know about evolution it is you who needs to know that it is a sham.
Actually, Christians are not the only ones that applies to. Everybody has the right to practice according to their own beliefs, whatever those beliefs may be. Also, everybody (not just Christians) has the right to raise their families and teach their children their own ideas regarding religion. The only proviso is that those practices do not prevent others from exercises those same rights and that they do no harm to others and do not violate the laws of the state.
then let's dispense with public schools and everyone goes and builds their own private ones.
They are run by the state for the benefit of allcitizens of all religious persuasions. As such, they cannot impose any one religion's beliefs on all the students. Public schools are for secular and civil education; religious education belongs in the home, in the church, and in their church's religious organizations
they cannot impose the secular education either for that violates the rights of the religious. works both ways.
Edited by AdminPD, : Fixed quote box

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archaeologist
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Message 20 of 112 (581338)
09-15-2010 6:16 AM


general 2:
Public schools that should be free of all religion Christin or otherwise.
nope. public schools need to be free from the atheistic and secular ways because the religious have a right to a proper education and the secular way has failed for over 300 years. it hasn't smartened people up but dumbed them down, it hasn't stopped teen pregnancies, drugs, violence, and so much more. face it you had your chance and you failed.
If we lived in a Muslim dominated culture we would be talking about the Qur'an. If our legislative bodies were dominated by Hindus looking to force Hindu creationism into the science classroom we would be talking about the Hindu scriptures
no you wouldn't. there is a muslim culture and a hindu one feel free to move to those countries and start the crap you are doing in america and othe rwestern nations...see how long you would last. i bet you wouldn't last a week.
We are still waiting for you to go after algebra since x+y=1 makes no mention of a creator. Even worse, the calculations used to measure the volume of a sphere do not include the resurrection of the Christ
don't have to. it is not the function or purpose of math to talk about a creator or the ressurrection.
You attack its beauty, its compassion and its hope by making it stupid with your insistence that your interpretation of its myths are literal and your interpretation of its message is infallible.
no we don't because GOD has said HIs word is infallible and the truth and that JESUS is the truth. we believers are merely passing on the message because God chose to do it that way.
We attack the stupid.
please, do not insult yourselves so much. though i will give you palin as the ultimate stupid person.
At the present rate of growth in atheists as a percentage of the population in the USA, another couple generations and your fundamental, inerrant and literal stupidity of a religion will be in the useless minority where you can then fade away into oblivion without anyone noticing.
that would only happen because people love darkness rather than light. yet the truth of the Bible, the truth itself doesn't depend upon who believes it. the truth is the truth no matter what and if no one believes it then God would have to send all to hell.
Agreed. In fact, I don't know of any atheist who would disagree with this. Likewise, when people choose not to believe, it is none of the Christian's business
it is your choice but remember the believer is under the mandate to preachthe gospel to every creature, the atheist is NOT under any such command and has no authority to force their ways on anyone.
As humans, we're part of a species whose survival depends on an elaborate system of social relationships
no. your survival depends upon God.
because the churches are tax exempt, and all the money that Christians give to their churches is tax deductible.
you are free to take advantage of this as well. you can donate to atrue church and get a tax deductable receipt for your donation. want the names of some pastors who would take your money?
On the contrary, it's up to the Christians to build their own schools
wrong again. not in the constitution and the atheist needs to stop taking educational welfare and start building their own schools and paying their own salaries and bills.
Simply put, they are not. Many atheists are not particularly interested in religion at all, similar to how many religious people are not particularly occupied with unbeliefs
oh please. you obviously are not reading the works of hitchins, dawkins, hawking, and so many other atheists out there. christianity is the most attacked religion and the Bible is the most attacked book an dit is the atheist leading the way. try to stay honest.

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archaeologist
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Message 31 of 112 (581447)
09-15-2010 4:47 PM
Reply to: Message 22 by bluegenes
09-15-2010 6:46 AM


Have you never noticed that God puts capital letters at the beginning of each sentence in His only known literary work?
Gd ddnt s vwls, s shld wrt lk ths s wll?
i will post as i see fit, don't like i do not care.
The reason we discuss the Bible on sites like this is because it is a central part of the general topic of the site.
excuses, excuses. i have yet to meet an atheist that was not obsessed about the Bible and didn't attack, bring it up in conversation and keeps mentioning the same arguments over and over.
why should an atheistic site have religious topics anyways and to the tone they carry? all atheistic sites accordingto your logic would be sans any reference to religious matters.

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archaeologist
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Message 32 of 112 (581448)
09-15-2010 4:54 PM
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09-15-2010 7:36 AM


Secularism is not taught in schools. Atheism is not taught in schools.
yes they are. if evolution is taught then secularism and atheism are taught as well.
But why would we move to a different country and start to attack them
you miss my point. talk is cheap and you would NOT do the same thing because atheists only do so when the enviornment lets them. why do you think dawkins hasn't been kicked out of oxford? because it is in britain not saudi arabia.
i have yet to see any atheist attack islam or hinduism or any other religion as they do christianity. you only do so because you know that christians aren't allowed to hurt you like muslims or other religions can.
Again, you fail to sense the difference
the only one not sensing anything are you and the rest of the atheists. you make so many excuses for your inaction that it is pathetic. nothing is stopping you right now from publically demanding that the muslim needs to teach evolution and stop teaching islamic ideas.
still preaching
your false labels shows that you cannot discuss but need to distort to avoid the truth.

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archaeologist
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Message 33 of 112 (581450)
09-15-2010 4:58 PM
Reply to: Message 25 by Larni
09-15-2010 7:44 AM


So, how is this whole thread not simply an assertion of martyrdom?
Atheists attack xians, boo hoo.
nothing to do with martyrdom. it just shows that you cannot be honest about yourselves as well as that which you attack. i have read so many off topic comments in this thread and so many whines about atheists aren't like that, it is just incredible.
you can't take responsibility for one thing about yourselves. you are obsessed and hate chrisianity plain and simple. you do not attack any other religion the same way BECAUSE they are NOT a threat to your lifestyles and choices and do not remind you that you have chosen wrongly.
they also do not shed light on your sinful ways which means you can ignore them without worry but christianity tells you a better standard, it tells you your real origins, it gives you the real source of morality and you cannot handle that as you want to be gods and create your own.
christianityputs the mirror in front of you and you do not like what you see and you need to get rid of it so you feel good about your lives.

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