Biblically, Was Adam The First Man?

Hi Buz,Do you want to discuss Hebrew or do you want to discuss the first man on earth?The meaning of Hebrew words is determined by prefixes, suffixes, construct, and context, along with several other things.Now if you want to discuss the first man on earth that would be the man formed from the dust of the ground in Genesis 2:7.If you want to discuss the first man created in the image/likeness of God that would be the mankind created male and female in Genesis 1:27.If you want to discuss why the mankind created in Genesis is called adam, it is because the Hebrew word used for mankind is transliterated adam.But the Hebrew word אדם means mankind or man. Adam is not a meaning of the word.Let me know which you would like to discuss.God Bless,

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"John 5:39 (KJS) Search the scriptures; for in them ye think ye have eternal life: and they are they which testify of me."

Hi PD, Whether you like it or not the text does tell us some things, lets examine the text. This verse tells us there was no plant of the field in the earth.This verse tells us there was no herb of the field before it grew.This verse tells us it had not rained on the earth.This verse tells us there was no man to till the ground.No water equals no way to grow plants or herb bearing plants and trees. Which would equal no food for a man to eat. This man that was formed from the dust of the ground and became a living being was the first life form on earth. Before plants, animals or fowls and woman.God then planted a garden and caused every tree that was good for food to grow out of the ground.God then provided an irrigation system.Then animals.Then a woman made from the rib of the man.So this man was not only the first man on earth he was the first living life form on earth.It makes no difference whether the Bible is the truth, a fable, a myth, the musings of some idiot, old wives tales, great fireside stories, or any other catagory you could put it in.The book I have that says Holy Bible on the cover has these things recorded in it.You can say anything your mind desires to say about it.But you can not change the fact that it is recorded in the text quoted that the man formed from the dust of the earth became a living being before any other life form according to the narated story in Genesis 2:4-25.God Bless,

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"John 5:39 (KJS) Search the scriptures; for in them ye think ye have eternal life: and they are they which testify of me."

Hi Buz, Which account you talking about?The account given about the mankind created male and female in the image/likeness of God is about modern man that was created some 6000 years ago. This was not the first man.The account given of the man formed from the dust of the ground with the breath of life breathed into his nostrils causing that form to become a living being was the first man who was brought into being in the same light period (DAY) God created the Heaven and the Earth. Genesis 2:4.There is no way to put a date on this man begining to exist as the Bible places it in the beginning.I know you disagree with me but you have never tried to show me where the text is other than what I have presented. The text is very plain.Now to this word Adam.Adam is an English word and did not exist until the English language existed.Adam is not a Hebrew word. Adam is the transliteration of אדמ with an added a.The literal transliteration would be A (Alef} D (Dalet) M (Mem) which would be written Adm. You are correct concerning the woman called Eve being the first woman who was made from the rib of her mate who was the first man. This man was formed from the dust of the ground and became a living being when God breathed the breath of life into him. This man was not created in the image/likeness of God but became as God knowing good and evil when he disobeyed God.How could he become as God if he was already in the image/likeness of God?God Bless,

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"John 5:39 (KJS) Search the scriptures; for in them ye think ye have eternal life: and they are they which testify of me."

Hi PD, Can you point out in the story in Genesis 2:4-25 where there was anything other than dry land except where the river from Eden that divided into 4 rivers, where there was anything but dry land.There was no fish or water creatures in this story.Which means:There was no seas at that time.God Bless,

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"John 5:39 (KJS) Search the scriptures; for in them ye think ye have eternal life: and they are they which testify of me."

Hi ringo, Is that supposed to be a trick question?The text says: It watered the garden and then went out to water the rest of the land. You do know that land can consume a lot of water don't you?But that does not have anything to do with the first man on the earth (land mass that was dry).The man formed from the dust of the earth was the first man.God Bless,

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"John 5:39 (KJS) Search the scriptures; for in them ye think ye have eternal life: and they are they which testify of me."

Hi PD, The story in Genesis 2:5-25 was to explain what took place in the DAY the earth and heaven was created.After the earth and heaven existed then God then formed man from the dust of the ground and breathed into his nostrils the breath of life and man became a living being.The first life form on earth.Then God provided food for man in the form of plants and fruit, nut and other various trees.Does Science posit that the earth has always had water?OrWas that water added by a yet to be determined method? There are several hypothesis but no concensus yet that I can find.God Bless,

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"John 5:39 (KJS) Search the scriptures; for in them ye think ye have eternal life: and they are they which testify of me."

Hi ringo, When did seas begin to exist?Where did the water come from to fill the seas?Now if the river flowed into a low place and the ground could not absorb the water it would fill up that low place.There was no rain to fill the river.So there was no water to fill the seas in the beginning. If I am not mistaken this thread is about the Bibilical version of the first man.As I have said many times it does not make any difference what you think about the Bible. It can be a myth, an outright lie, an allagory, or anything else you want to say or think about it. The fact remains that there are certain things recorded in the text of the 66 books called the Bible.The text says: God had not caused it to rain upon the earth.Now it makes no difference where that land was it had not rained on it.There was not a man to till the ground.It makes no difference where that land was there was no man to till the land.The land was watered by a mist that came from the earth. Not the sky. Gen. 2:6. So before it rained. Before there was any life form this man was formed from the dust of the ground and begame a living being.In Genesis 2:8 God then planted a garden and caused the vegetation to grow out of the ground.So according to the text the man formed from the dust of the ground was the first living life form on the dry land. You can assume anything you desire to assume.But that is not what the Biblical text we are supposed to be discussing says.God Bless,

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"John 5:39 (KJS) Search the scriptures; for in them ye think ye have eternal life: and they are they which testify of me."

Hi PD, Any land that man could walk upon.Since there was no seas in the beginning that means he could walk on all that existed at that time..It must have been a lot smaller then than it is now because we have trillions of tons of organic material that has grown and been covered by miles of solid rock, which formed our coal, oil, and natural gas.In the beginning the earth could not be as it is today unless you got a better idea. Do you want to start a thread and explain it to me. Well according to the Biblical text we are discussing there was no man to till the land.So it makes no difference where the land was there was no man to till the land.There was no man until the man in Genesis 2:7 was formed from the dust of the ground and became a living being.That man is refered to as Adam. I just call him the first man. Quit adding to the text. That text does not say anything about Cain finding a wife. Does that mean that Adam found Eve his wife?Or does it mean they had sex and Cain was the product of that relationship?The same goes for Cain knowing his wife and her bearing Enoch.God Bless,

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"John 5:39 (KJS) Search the scriptures; for in them ye think ye have eternal life: and they are they which testify of me."

Hi ringo, Who is the we you are refering to?Do you have a reference to when the seas began to exist?According to what I can find it was too hot in the beginning for water to exist. So at what point did it begin to exist?The story in chapter 2 of Genesis is not talking about a few thousand years ago. It is talking about the day the Heaven and the Earth began to exist. So you are spinning what is written in the book to suit yourself.What you believe or what I believe is not what is being discussed.We are supposed to be discussing what the Biblical text says.Which is:Genesis 2:5 "the Lord God had not caused it to rain upon the earth.""there was no man to till the ground."Genesis 2:6 "there went up a mist from the earth, and watered the whole face of the ground."There was no source of water to form the seas. You either need to improve your reading skills or remove the glasses you are wearing that you can't see through.The text says: God formed man and breathed into his nostrils and he bacame a living being. First life form.There was no garden at that time.God then planted a garden.Then God put the man in the garden.God then caused the things He had planted to bring forth various plants. Beginning of plant life.Whether the story is true or not that is what is recorded in the text of the book called the Holy Bible.God Bless,

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"John 5:39 (KJS) Search the scriptures; for in them ye think ye have eternal life: and they are they which testify of me."

Hi PD, Correction, you aren't talking about the planet.I am talking about any speck of land that existed on the face of the earth. No fish, or water fowl formed leads me to believe there was no seas, to put them in.The river had to provide pure drinking water, so no fish was introduced. What part of the FACE OF THE EARTH do you not understand?Whole earth encompases all land that existed anywhere. So was I misinterpeting what you said: I understood you to be infering Cain took a wife in the land he had gone into which was Nod.Are you now saying that Cain took his wife to the land of Nod and there they had sex and produced Enoch?You are trying to support your belief that the earth is not the entire planet and there was people living on other parts of the earth. According to many people I lost it a long time ago so I would have nothing to lose.My contention about Cain is that he took his wife with him when he went and settled in the land of Nod. There they raised a family. In fact there are six generations of Cain's descendents listed in Genesis chapter 4.What is really amazing about them is there is no age stated for any of them.God Bless,

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"John 5:39 (KJS) Search the scriptures; for in them ye think ye have eternal life: and they are they which testify of me."

Hi ringo, AH but it had cooled to the point we have a river mentioned we just don't have seas mentioned.The river provided the water man needed to survive.About 70% of the earth's surface is covered with water today. There is more than 7 times the amount of water in the earth than there is on the earth.That is a lot of water that had to come from somewhere. Its not my misunderstanding of what the Bible says. It is your lack of understanding of what the Bible says since you only believe it is a story, that is a myth anyway.ringo says: "Nothing in the text suggests that he was the first life form."Then ringo says: "He was just the first life form mentioned in that story."The latter contradicts the first.I take from your statement that according to the Biblical text that it does declare that this man was the first life form.If that is not what you meant please correct my understanding. What difference does it make what the people knew then or now.Moses was instructed by God what to write in the books he wrote so it is not dependent on what other people's knowledge was or is.God Bless,

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"John 5:39 (KJS) Search the scriptures; for in them ye think ye have eternal life: and they are they which testify of me."

Hi PD, Unless you read the text and accept what it says as literal events and truth. We are discussing the Biblical account found in the Bible not in the musings of purpledawn.God Bless,

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"John 5:39 (KJS) Search the scriptures; for in them ye think ye have eternal life: and they are they which testify of me."

Hi ringo, I think I ask you this question a couple of years ago but I will ask it again.How do you refill a glass that has not been filled?The same goes for the earth.How do you replenish something unless it has already existed at least one time.But the mankind in Genesis 1:27 created male and female and in the image/likeness of God was the advent of modern man and took place only a few thousand years ago. Just to throw a twist in here them created does not designate a single male and a single female. There could have been lots of them.The man in Genesis 2:7 formed from the dust of the ground took place in the same light period that the Heaven and Earth began to exist.He is listed in the generations of the Heaven and the Earth. So some time before the darkness found in Genesis 1:2 during the light period the Heaven and the Earth was created the first man was formed from the dust of the ground. He lived and died in that same light period thus God did not lie when He told him he would die the day he ate the forbidden fruit.God Bless,

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"John 5:39 (KJS) Search the scriptures; for in them ye think ye have eternal life: and they are they which testify of me."

Hi PD, The only word available to Moses was erets.The word planet did not exist when he wrote the TorahIn fact the definition is still changing. SourceSo the statement: If the ground in China, Australia, Japan, Europe and the Americas is considered a part of the earth then the ground in Genesis 2:5 would be any ground that existed at that time.You are trying to apply a modern term that is still evolving to an ancient Hebrew word.Definition: Earth SourceErets
According to Brown, Driver, Biggs Lexicon means:
1) land, earthThe modern definition of earth is land.
The Hebrew definition of earth is land.So all you are doing is trying to obfuscate the meaning of the Hebrew word אדץ.So the text "there was not a man to till the ground", would include any ground that existed.Which would mean the man formed from the dust of the ground was the first life form on the אדץ.God Bless,

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"John 5:39 (KJS) Search the scriptures; for in them ye think ye have eternal life: and they are they which testify of me."

Hi ringo, I don't know whether Paul believed in talking snakes or not.I can say that I believe in talking mules and horses.There are many movies made of Francis the talking mule and Ed the talking horse.Also I have seen dummys like Mortimer carry on a conversation with his side kick.Now I know these creatures had these sounds put in their mouths by someone else.Now if humans can accomplish such a feat what would keep Satan from being able to speak through a snake, serpent, tree, or the fruit itself.God Bless,

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"John 5:39 (KJS) Search the scriptures; for in them ye think ye have eternal life: and they are they which testify of me."