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crashfrog Member (Idle past 1467 days) Posts: 19762 From: Silver Spring, MD Joined:
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The cosmological model of eternal inflation and the transition from chance to biological evolution in the history of life. Ok, this paper is in Biology Direct, thanks.
The cosmological model of eternal inflation and the transition from chance to biological evolution in the history of life - PubMed quote: I don't see a lot of support in this paper for your position, frankly. What Koonin is saying here is not that life is improbable, it's that life is inevitable under the widely-held cosmological assumption of eternal inflation and deflation.
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crashfrog Member (Idle past 1467 days) Posts: 19762 From: Silver Spring, MD Joined:
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Right, and according to Koonin, because the probability is not zero, it will inevitably happen an infinite number of times in an eternally inflating and deflating universe.
Koonin's paper, in other words, reaches the exact opposite conclusion as you portray.
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ICdesign Member (Idle past 4798 days) Posts: 360 From: Phoenix Arizona USA Joined: |
Maybe you could have an original thought sometime May 31, 2007 paper published by Eugene V. Koonin of the National Center forBiotechnology Information. Are you saying this is a falsified paper? What do you mean original thought. I never claimed this was MY information.
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Theodoric Member Posts: 9076 From: Northwest, WI, USA Joined: Member Rating: 3.7 |
Found it.
Cut and paste from Conservapedia. Then again Conservapedia might have swiped it from someone.But you didn't get it from Conservapedia did you. You got it from the other forum I mentioned earlier. Want to know how I know? At Conservapedia the foot note is 18. On the other forum the foot note is 2 just like your post. Facts don't lie or have an agenda. Facts are just facts
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Theodoric Member Posts: 9076 From: Northwest, WI, USA Joined: Member Rating: 3.7 |
If you cut and paste something it is necessary to give credit. Anything else is dishonest.
Facts don't lie or have an agenda. Facts are just facts
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ICdesign Member (Idle past 4798 days) Posts: 360 From: Phoenix Arizona USA Joined: |
it will inevitably happen an infinite number of times in an eternally inflating and deflating universe. This is funny. Not only did the impossible happen but it could happen an infinite number of times. Yeah, OK Crashfrog whatever you say. As always, your saying it makes it true.
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jar Member (Idle past 394 days) Posts: 34026 From: Texas!! Joined: |
The topic, in case you missed it, involves evolving the Musculoskeletal System.
The first life and in fact most life even today is unrelated to the topic. However, embryology certainly should help you. The Musculoskeletal System evolved from undifferentiated cells over time. It really is that simple. Anyone so limited that they can only spell a word one way is severely handicapped!
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ICdesign Member (Idle past 4798 days) Posts: 360 From: Phoenix Arizona USA Joined: |
If you cut and paste something it is necessary to give credit. Anything else is dishonest. I see what your saying. I should have credited where I got the article. ten4
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Theodoric Member Posts: 9076 From: Northwest, WI, USA Joined: Member Rating: 3.7 |
I suggest you do so. It seems the guy you got it from is pretty clueless.
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ICdesign Member (Idle past 4798 days) Posts: 360 From: Phoenix Arizona USA Joined: |
OK, moving on...
Percy writes: With complex creatures new body parts are not going to evolve because they would provide no advantage. I am curious about this statement. Isn't a fish a complex creature? Wasn't the Ape already complex when we evolved from it? Edited by ICDESIGN, : No reason given.
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Theodoric Member Posts: 9076 From: Northwest, WI, USA Joined: Member Rating: 3.7 |
Are you going to even address what Crashfrog and Taq have said in response to you cut and paste assertion? First you cut and paste, then you do not even acknowledge who you stole it from. Then when you are shown that the paper doesn't even say what you claim it does you just want to drop it and move on.
Defend your assertion or admit you do not even have a clue what the paper even said.
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ICdesign Member (Idle past 4798 days) Posts: 360 From: Phoenix Arizona USA Joined: |
Defend your assertion or admit you do not even have a clue what the paper even said. The requirements for the emergence of a primitive, coupled replication-translationsystem, which is considered a candidate for the breakthrough stage in this paper, are much greater. At a minimum, spontaneous formation of: - two rRNAs with a total size of at least 1000 nucleotides - ~10 primitive adaptors of ~30 nucleotides each, in total, ~300 nucleotides - at least one RNA encoding a replicase, ~500 nucleotides (low bound) is required. In the above notation, n = 1800, resulting in E <10-1018. This is from the paper. Look it up yourself, I gave you the references. If you guys disagree the chance of life occurring by natural processes is 1 in 10 followed by 1018 zeros then post what you come up with. I got it from http://www.intelligent-design-evidence.com/origins
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ICdesign Member (Idle past 4798 days) Posts: 360 From: Phoenix Arizona USA Joined: |
OK, moving on...
Percy writes: With complex creatures new body parts are not going to evolve because they would provide no advantage. I am curious about this statement. Isn't a fish a complex creature? Wasn't the Ape already complex when we evolved from it?
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Strongbow Junior Member (Idle past 4910 days) Posts: 26 Joined: |
quote: What new body parts did we eveolve from the other apes? Our morphology is very similar indeed.
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ICdesign Member (Idle past 4798 days) Posts: 360 From: Phoenix Arizona USA Joined: |
Strongbow writes: What new body parts did we eveolve from the other apes? Our morphology is very similar indeed. I know we have more bones in our feet. I would have to do some research as to the differences from us and Apes.Just for simplicity lets start back at the fish and go from there. Thanks,IC
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