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riVeRraT Member (Idle past 438 days) Posts: 5788 From: NY USA Joined: |
"crashfrog" writes: How so? Jesus Christ didn't do anything to stop Ted Haggard. If I want to snort a bunch of coke, how exactly is "Jesus Christ" going to stop me? I really hate when atheists do just what you did. There has to be a name for it, something like, lying? Jesus doesn't stop us from doing anything, only you can, by following His ways. If you follow His ways, you are believing in Him, if you are not, then you are not believing in Him. You can say whatever you want with your mouth, that doesn't mean crap.
Religion can't make you do the right thing, they can just try to talk you into doing the right thing. Or the wrong thing. But anybody can do that. Yes and no. Where does the sense of right and wrong come from? This "right thing". I've heard it all too much in this forum. Tell me one thing that Jesus suggested that is the "wrong thing". Even when I was not a believer, I have a problem with the concept of science dictation all of what is right or wrong. Especially since science can change when better data becomes available. So my concept of right and wrong can change with it? One day wine is no good for you, the next day a few glasses is good for you. Come on dude, that sometimes sounds more crazy that believing in a god. In a way science can be like the wind, and we should just take it for what it is worth, and not make science into our god. Be realistic about it, is what I am saying.
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riVeRraT Member (Idle past 438 days) Posts: 5788 From: NY USA Joined: |
"nwr" writes: Some do, though most probably doubt that it would be anything like the Christian idea of God. That is because of many reasons, and probably why apologetics exist.Also, there is no absolute "Christian idea of God". That is why there is so many religions. I used to have a problem with that, but I've changed. I realize that different people, need different ways of believing. I think God is ok with that, but that is just my opinion. Where people make a mistake is in their tolerance of other religions.
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riVeRraT Member (Idle past 438 days) Posts: 5788 From: NY USA Joined: |
"Bluejay" writes: The default position should be set at "0," not at whatever value people have set it at in the past. Yea, define "0". "0" assumes we know everything, and we don't. "0" is subjective.
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riVeRraT Member (Idle past 438 days) Posts: 5788 From: NY USA Joined: |
"Dr Adequate" writes: But in the current absence of any supporting evidence for it, There is tons of evidence. The evidence is old, hence now subjective. Current evidence is subjective. The words of Jesus are objective evidence. You have to choose whether or not it means there is a God. I keep telling you guys, and we have been through this in another thread, lack of objective evidence does not proof the non-existence of something. It only enforces your belief that it doesn't exist. Sometimes in life the greatest discoveries start with subjective evidence.
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riVeRraT Member (Idle past 438 days) Posts: 5788 From: NY USA Joined: |
"Rrhain" writes: and it would behoove you to avoid trying to psychoanalyze me over the internet. LOL, hypocrite.
We've already seen that you are willing to misquote your own source with regard to what atheism is. I have not mis-quoted anything. I said in a narrow sense. Some people have graciously explained what that means. You haven't.
Why on earth should we not expect you to misrepresent what atheists actually say about themselves? People get definitions wrong all the time.
When an atheist tells you that their philosophy is based on the lack of belief and not the belief of lack, who are you to tell them otherwise? Because you cannot dis-prove the existence of God. I am challenging it. It is my problem with atheists.
Then why do you think you know more about atheism than atheists? I was an atheist for 38 years. (by definition)
A hobby is a belief as it is an emotional connection to a concept. People are motivated to engage in the activity as it provides emotional benefits they find desirable. What??? A hobby is not a belief.a belief is: Belief is the psychological state in which an individual holds a proposition or premise to be true. There is nothing true or false about stamp collecting. Stamp collecting is not a proposition. Hobbies, are not beliefs. Stop making invalid comparisons. Something you always do. It would be nice if you could explain it, without relating it to something completely different. So your analogy isn't worth responding to.
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riVeRraT Member (Idle past 438 days) Posts: 5788 From: NY USA Joined: |
"Rrhain" writes: And atheists have no faith. That's the entire point. Yes that is the entire point, which you have stated wrongly. Atheists do have faith, and beliefs. There is no "default position", the default position is not "0", since "0" cannot be defined or proven. There is no such thing as lack of belief, as we have already determined through several conversations on the subject. We are humans, not computers.
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riVeRraT Member (Idle past 438 days) Posts: 5788 From: NY USA Joined: |
Addressing the point:
Think of it like this, would you describe yourself as an 'a-zeusist'? Or someone with a belief in no Shiva? Yes, I can describe myself as being that, it would be 100% accurate.
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riVeRraT Member (Idle past 438 days) Posts: 5788 From: NY USA Joined: |
"Taq" writes: Then comes the hard part, getting the objective evidence to back it up. Yea, the double blind, scientific study evidence to prove the creator of everything, who doesn't want you to prove He exists, will be hard, and probably impossible to find. Learning to accept that was a process for me. It is the reason why creation science is bogus. It is also a measuring stick for a lot of evangelism. When evangelists try to tell us things in a scientific way, using statistics and facts. Faith is not about that, faith is entirely subjective (or your subjective take on some objective evidences). Nothing is proven in faith, and the degree of faith is way higher than believing in objective things like scientific results. It is the reason why the whole concept of this forum is bogus. Sitting here and comparing objective evidences about creation, and evolution is just a huge waste of time. Still we enjoy the conversations here. If we are comparing evolution vs creation, objectively, evolution wins hands down. Forum over, pack it up. You win. If anything, people should learn from this forum the truth about things. I am all for the truth. Thanks Taq for agreeing with me. I was surprised to say the least.
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riVeRraT Member (Idle past 438 days) Posts: 5788 From: NY USA Joined: |
A lot of us here are moving away from faith. Faith is a second-rate system. Jesus Himself told Thomas to look at the evidence. He would like you to understand the truth in what He said and internalize it, not just have faith in it. Often atheists understand the truth in Jesus' words better than Christians do - because they don't rely on faith. Yea, I'm fine with that. I also see more "Jesus like" behavior in atheists, and some jews, and some muslims than most Christians. Like I said, it's not about what you proclaim with your mouth.Not sure what you mean by faith being second rate. What verse are you talking about?
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