Problems with being an Atheist (or Evolutionist)

Are you saying you only have morality because you are being watched by God?How pathetic. Are you a child that doesn't know better?- Oni Edited by AdminPD, : Off Topic

In general, we apply a simple, logical position to any questions about supernatural or non-materialistic entities: When those claiming it can provide proof, we'll evaluate the evidence.You clearly recognize that: That's just it, when you apply the above to your religion, anyones religion, or for that matter, anyones claim, you are not applying faith. You are critically evaluating evidence. If you have none, other than "faith," it won't impress.The thing to remember is, YOU apply this same method of evaluation to other religions or supernatural claims. You just happen to believe in one of the many that exist. I don't go around insulting people and their faith, but when you come to a forum to debate this subject, thick skin is a requirement on your part. We won't hold back because that's where the fun is. And neither do you, RR. This isn't done without reason, it is done when the religion had sole influence on the evil action. If you strap a bomb to your chest and blow up a church because, according to your interpretation of your religious book you have to because others are the enemy, then the religion had influence.No atheist does an evil act because according to them there is no evidence for supernatural entities. That would mean EVERY supernatural entity.Is there really someone killing people because they don't believe there is enough evidence to support the belief that Zues exist? And yet you apply our same logic to other faiths for which you have no belief for. We just go one more than you and include Christianity.- Oni

Why? Why should I consider the possibility of a being that human's imagined as being valid? The default position is, there are no supernatural entities, nor does that word represent an actual function of reality - Because, there is no evidence for either. I start at zero and work my way up the scale of belief as more and more evidence is brought forward. But as of yet, there is no evidence, not in the slightest, so I remain at position zero, also refered to as atheism.An agnostic has in some way accept the possibility of these imagined beings. An agnostic has said to him/her self, maybe one of these humans got it right. Maybe one of them has actually nail a concept that might possibily exist. They have also recognized that no evidence exists to support such a concept, but maybe it can exist. It's not impossibile as I've been told.Personally, I remain unconviced, not that something unknown can possibily exist - that I agree with, unknown things may exist and one day be known - but unconvinced of the possibility that a human being, here on Earth, somehow had an experience that supported the notion that things that are not bound by or derived from the laws of nature can exist. Frankly, how the fuck could anyone possibly assume such an illogical thing based on meer experiences? Do I seem like that to you? 'Cause I'll caution you that that would be insulting.You are also doing what most theist do, you only accpet one god and to YOU all atheist are rejecting your god and his rules. But there are thousands of other gods rejected equally by theist and atheists, we just go one more than you. You are an atheist like me for any other concept of god that isn't the Christian version. Are you denying the existence of all those other gods and their rules so that you may live your life by your own rules? No, right. So why fling that crap on us for doing the same thing you're doing?We are all atheists, RR. If that were true, then could you name me one suicide bomber from the religion of Buddhism? Or Jainism? Or Hinduism? Or Christianity? Judaism? No...just Muslims. So it is an isolated problem and one associated solely with the Muslim faith. The bomber is not acting on his/her own beliefs, but the beliefs of their religion. Excuse me but the Bible warns it's followers to not pick and choose, nor to question the word of god.- OniPS. Be cool with frako, english isn't his first language but seems to be able to defend himself quite well. Edited by onifre, : No reason given.

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There are 1000's of concepts, which one should we start with? You can't take a positive position without evidence. You can't say there is the supernatural and god/s without evidence, then wait to see if evidence disproves it. You can't prove a negative.That's why the default is there is nothing until someone shows you something. People are indoctrinated into beliefs, RR. A child is born as an atheist, having never heard of anything yet. Parents mold their children's beliefs, if left alone the child would have none. This is a cop-out. Of course - stoned, trippin', I've even done DMT at a meditation retreat. It is totally easy to imagine things, but that's just what it is, an imagined thing. It does not represent reality, much less, an alternate reality in which no laws apply.If our best equipment can't detect these "outside of the universe" realms, trippin' on some shrooms isn't going to get you closer to the answer. Well lets first admit that delusional is the one possibility that doesn't require there to exist an outside of the universe or an all knowing , all powerful, yet undetectable, invisible being that can suspend the laws of nature. In other words, what's more likely? But you are a Christian, you believe that Jesus was the son of god that died on the cross, etc, etc, etc. Right? I meant specifically suicide bombing. What religion do suicide bombers come from?- Oni