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Peg Member (Idle past 4957 days) Posts: 2703 From: melbourne, australia Joined: |
im not going to go into who wrote what because its off topic here
purpledawn writes: So the question remains. If Christianity claims that all sexual misconduct is equally disdainful and unacceptable, then why allow and even perform marriages of people who have divorced their mate for reasons other than fornication, but not allow homosexuals to live and marry without being harassed? a widow can marry again and it is not considered adultery as can an innocent partner in a marriage (usually its only one who is unfaithful) the other is free to remarry. so it really depends on the circumstances and if the church even knows all the circumstances of the ones getting married. I would suspect they probably dont. But overall, the church does not apply the bible sure they claim it as their main text book but the facts speak otherwise. They do not apply the bible and havnt done so for a very long time.
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Dr Adequate Member (Idle past 312 days) Posts: 16113 Joined: |
When I was ten years old, I got to reading Genesis, and guess what - before any kind of worldly influences of any meaning, I understood Genesis. You were a child, and you believed a story about a talking snake outwitting God. I get the picture.
It is more comfortable to believe it was all a parable, and that we all go to heaven no matter what we do in life. It's so much more comfortable for some people to believe that even though the Bible says that Jesus "gave himself as a ransom for all", that still means that the people whom they personally disapprove of are not in fact ransomed and will burn in Hell forever.
The message is sin. Have you ever lied?Have you ever stolen? Have you ever cursed God or took His name in vain? Have you ever commited adultery, even in your heart? Have you lusted ever before? Have you ever been angry at your brother? Yes, how about you? Right. So the difference between us, apparently, is that you believe, without evidence, that someone else has taken responsibility for your sins, whereas I accept responsibility for mine.
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Hyroglyphx Inactive Member |
When I was ten years old, I got to reading Genesis, and guess what - before any kind of worldly influences of any meaning, I understood Genesis. That's because presumably by age 10 you knew how to read English. As we all know about most children, they're quite taken in by fanciful and enchanted stories.
It's a matter of studying the bible, as a "whole" thing, and asking; "If God is behind this WHOLE thing, then what is his message?" The message is sin. Have you ever lied?Have you ever stolen? Have you ever cursed God or took His name in vain? Have you ever commited adultery, even in your heart? Have you lusted ever before? Have you ever been angry at your brother? Nobody has ever gotten around the fact that they have all done wrong in life, and even though the bible tells us about a Holy God that cannot withstand sin, people still believe they can enter his presence and live. It was God that imparted the sinful behavior to begin with. He doesn't make us sin directly, so the story goes, but deductive reasoning tells us he gives us the ability and even the desire to sin, then says if we would just follow him he'd make us clean. That is extortion. "The Constitution shall never be construed to prevent the people of the United States who are peaceable citizens from keeping their own arms." - Samual Adams
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greyseal Member (Idle past 3889 days) Posts: 464 Joined: |
lol i obviously wasnt taking myself as seriously as you Heh - maybe, but it's important to be clear about consent and 'not complaining' because the conversation so often turns to animals and children and clarifying that consent is different than...oh, too late. I'm not going to finger-point (much) about the...not so recent acitivies...that have only recently come to light regarding certain practitioners and members of a certain sect of one of the biggest religions in the world and their moral indescretions and the activity keeping it out of the limelight...but if you're going to point and gasp about "sexual perversions", there's a whole world of difference between "safe, sane and legal" and, well, not. However Peg's point does raise a very, very good point. Certain activities carried a death sentence (or at least a sentence) for what could legally be called "masturbation with owned property" because the objects in question happened to be...of a different class. For example (and yes, this is going to get somewhat beyond PG13 in the next few words - so stop reading now if you're squeamish) dead bodies and animals. A body is legally property, it's certainly no longer a living person - and there was a legal case a while ago (I believe in the USA) where somebody was tried for...that (yuck! I can't express how much wrong that contains) and said person's defence was "this is my property". Animals too have been considered legally objects, property, so why is there a legal issue with...that? Personally...shudder...but still the question remains.
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Yrreg Member (Idle past 4952 days) Posts: 64 Joined: |
I have just been banned for good or for a period from that forum.
I will find that out when I next check in and try to post a message, after some months later. And I never ever use any profanities there not so much as a f**k nor a s**t. My impression is that they don't want anyone theist to continue to exchange ideas with atheists there who are the excessive predominant majority there, I dare say exclusive majority there (pun intended). With that kind of an attitude they are exercising self-censorship. What I read about this forum is that the owner-operator-founder is very tolerant and not quick to ban anyone or suspend anyone from personal pique or vindictive fervor. Yrreg
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Yrreg Member (Idle past 4952 days) Posts: 64 Joined: |
Well, even atheists set limits to what they can do in sex.
That is a sign that they don't really believe in total liberties in sex provided you can get away with it because no one knows about it or at least legally you don't get in trouble with the law. But since atheists don't admit of any transcendental morality or decency for humanity, that is an inconsistency in their setting limits to sex. In effect they do maintain a transcendental morality or decency for humanity. For animals who do not have the same nature of man, there is no questioning morality and decency with them from us humans and to all appearances they do what their nature moves them to and they can do so, even though for us humans some behaviors of theirs can be for us humans immoral or indecent or perverse. So, for human there is transcendence in man's nature. And with animals and no condemnation on them at all, their nature does not include any component of transcendence. Yrreg
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frako Member (Idle past 333 days) Posts: 2932 From: slovenija Joined: |
if all participants in the intercourse agree on it and none of them are minors they can do what ever they want to do, as long as they dont brake any laws or intrude on other peoples rights they can use industrial polishers to polish their you know whats its none of my business what they do in their bedroom.
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Percy Member Posts: 22502 From: New Hampshire Joined: Member Rating: 4.9 |
Yrreg writes: What I read about this forum is that the owner-operator-founder is very tolerant and not quick to ban anyone or suspend anyone from personal pique or vindictive fervor. Plus I hear he's a total sucker for suck-ups!
That is a sign that they don't really believe in total liberties in sex provided you can get away with it because no one knows about it or at least legally you don't get in trouble with the law. Apologies for not having read the thread, but what types of sex between consenting adults should be off limits, and why? --Percy
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ringo Member (Idle past 440 days) Posts: 20940 From: frozen wasteland Joined: |
Yrreg writes:
Internalized morality is more effective than transcendental morality. Atheists and other sensible people know why they shouldn't do what they shouldn't do without having to consult with a flying spook. Theists are much more likely to look for loopholes in the letter of the law instead of abiding by the spirit of the law. But since atheists don't admit of any transcendental morality or decency for humanity, that is an inconsistency in their setting limits to sex. "It appears that many of you turn to Hebrew to escape the English...." -- Joseppi
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jar Member (Idle past 422 days) Posts: 34026 From: Texas!! Joined: |
But since atheists don't admit of any transcendental morality or decency for humanity, that is an inconsistency in their setting limits to sex. No idea what a 'transcendental morality' is. But morality is a social construct and has evolved over time. It continues to evolve. It is certainly better today then it was when Jesus would have been alive. Anyone so limited that they can only spell a word one way is severely handicapped!
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Modulous Member Posts: 7801 From: Manchester, UK Joined: |
Well, even atheists set limits to what they can do in sex. I set my own personal limits for all activities. I won't do ass to mouth penis routines - but I'm fine if you want to. Also - I don't drink alcohol.
That is a sign that they don't really believe in total liberties... I don't believe in total liberties - I've not met any atheist who does. But I do believe you should be free to do as you will so long as more important rights are not impinged on.
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onifre Member (Idle past 2979 days) Posts: 4854 From: Dark Side of the Moon Joined:
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Also - I don't drink alcohol. That's because you don't do ass to mouth. If you did, you'd drink. - Oni
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Theodoric Member Posts: 9197 From: Northwest, WI, USA Joined: Member Rating: 3.2
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That's because you don't do ass to mouth. If you did, you'd drink. Probably tequila straight too. I think that would be the only way to get that taste out of your mouth.
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dwise1 Member Posts: 5952 Joined: Member Rating: 5.2
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"transcendental morality"? What is that supposed to mean? Is it like transcendental medication? Do they give each of you your own personal mantra? I know they told you not to share your mantra with anybody, but that doesn't mean you can't tell anyone that you have one.
Now, given your truly lousy record for replying, I'll take a stab at what you mean. You're talking about morality imposed upon us externally by a supernatural entity. Sorry, no need for that. The gods have nothing whatsoever to do with morality. Whatever would make you think that they do? Atheists are people, no different from theists. We have relationships of all kinds -- probably more normal relationships than theists do (judging, in part, by the wide range of weird ideas we see being forwarded all the time by theists). At the very least we have common decency and treat ourselves and others with common decency. Why shouldn't we? Some of our relationships are sexual and we want to treat our partners with the respect that they are due. Why would we want to do anything that would jeopardize the relationship? Your assumptions come through and they are weird! I responded to your opening post in this topic and you have never replied to it. Here it is again:
dwise1 writes: I get the idea from reading about the beliefs of atheist evolutionists ...
And just who created those writing that you've been reading? In short, what are your sources? Seriously, what are your sources? Because they are seriously misleading you. If you keep using them it'll lead to a serious case of brain rot. Really, where are you getting your weird ideas from? For one thing, your sources are what's making you obsess about sexual perversities. That obsession certainly seems to be a definite Christian thing, not at all an atheist thing. I've seem so many fundamentalists insist completely seriously that if their god did not exist, then they would have no personal responsibility at all and could do everything and anything they wanted to regardless of how sexually perverse -- indeed, the more perverse the better! I have also corresponded with a creation-science activist, Bill Morgan, who claims to have been an atheist, but he was only pretending to be one. Here is what he himself wrote on his pretend deconversion; pay especial attention to the last two paragraphs, plus I added bolding to a key statement:
quote: BTW, the reason why I know that he was only pretending is that he had told me that every night that he was an "atheist" he prayed to God. Whisky, Tango, Foxtrot, Oscar? No actual atheist would do that, but only a pretend atheist. If you know any Bible verse that says otherwise, do please quote it, book, chapter, and verse. That's a major problem that your "transcendental morality" causes for believers: it presents them with a huge tempting loophole. They want to indulge in all kinds of depravity, but their religion teaches them that they cannot indulge themselves, unless they become atheists. So, like Bill, they pretend to be atheists just so they can indulge in depravity. So they think that depravity is part of the atheist condition. Such idiots! Stop, think, discuss. Then maybe you can eventually stop being as bass-ackwards as your name.
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dwise1 Member Posts: 5952 Joined: Member Rating: 5.2 |
Probably tequila straight too. I think that would be the only way to get that taste out of your mouth. quote: Got that from my suegra (mother-in-law), so it must be true. That stuff does do wonders. As for what it would do to that taste in your mouth, yo mismo prefiero tacos.
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