"transcendental morality"? What is
that supposed to mean? Is it like transcendental medication? Do they give each of you your own personal mantra? I know they told you not to share your mantra with anybody, but that doesn't mean you can't tell anyone that you have one.
Now, given your truly lousy record for replying, I'll take a stab at what you mean. You're talking about morality imposed upon us externally by a supernatural entity. Sorry, no need for that. The gods have nothing whatsoever to do with morality. Whatever would make you think that they do?
Atheists are people, no different from theists. We have relationships of all kinds -- probably more normal relationships than theists do (judging, in part, by the wide range of weird ideas we see being forwarded all the time by theists). At the very least we have common decency and treat ourselves and others with common decency. Why shouldn't we? Some of our relationships are sexual and we want to treat our partners with the respect that they are due. Why would we want to do anything that would jeopardize the relationship? Your assumptions come through and they are
weird!
I responded to your opening post in this topic and you have never replied to it. Here it is again:
dwise1 writes:
I get the idea from reading about the beliefs of atheist evolutionists ...
And just who created those writing that you've been reading? In short, what are your sources?
Seriously,
what are your sources? Because they are seriously misleading you. If you keep using them it'll lead to a serious case of brain rot. Really, where are you getting your weird ideas from?
For one thing, your sources are what's making you obsess about sexual perversities. That obsession certainly seems to be a definite Christian thing, not at all an atheist thing. I've seem so many fundamentalists insist completely seriously that if their god did not exist, then they would have no personal responsibility at all and could do everything and anything they wanted to regardless of how sexually perverse -- indeed, the more perverse the better! I have also corresponded with a creation-science activist, Bill Morgan, who claims to have been an atheist, but he was only pretending to be one. Here is what he himself wrote on his pretend deconversion; pay especial attention to the last two paragraphs, plus I added bolding to a key statement:
quote:
In sixth grade, I remember seeing a big colorful book produced by Time-Life. It caught my eye, and I opened it up and was pleased to see big colorful drawings. One set of drawings really caught my eye. There was a series of animated drawings that went across two pages. On the far left was a very ape-like character walking on all fours and covered with hair. The character to his right was a little more upright, he had shorter arms, was starting to walk on two legs and had less hair. This progression continued for a few more drawings until at the far right side of the page there was this handsome fellow, a human being! This is called the ascent of man chart that nearly everyone is familiar with.
In sixth grade, I looked at that chart for a while, smirked, thought it was ridiculous, and went outside and played softball.
Eventually I made it to ninth grade. While in a Biology class, the teacher was teaching us about evolution and placed the same chart up on the wall. I still remember it. I sat there and studied that chart for a long time. It was on that very day that I recognized a major conflict existed between what this teacher was saying and what the Bible taught. Should I believe my science teacher, who is teaching man has ascended from ape-like animals, or do I believe mommy, daddy, and that book (the Bible) that says God made man instantly from the dust of the ground?" I reasoned that this teacher is a scientist after all, so this must be valid information.
I had a choice to make that millions of people world wide are faced with. Do I believe the Bible or what is taught as science (please note I did not call it science).
In ninth grade I chose to go with the science teacher, and considered myself to be an atheist for about 14 years. I took many more science classes in high school and in college (I am a Mechanical Engineer), and none of these classes changed my beliefs, if anything they reinforced my atheist beliefs.
I assume the majority of you are in college now. Do you understand my story? I am pretty certain you have had several hours of your education dedicated to the teaching of the Theory of Evolution. I would love to hear how this affected you. Has it done anything to your faith? It obliterated mine!
Question! Why in 6th grade did I think the drawings were ridiculous, but in 9th grade I believed them?
Was it because I was more intellectual? No. Was it because the Biology teacher explained it so convincingly? Not really. The real reason for my becoming an atheist in 9th grade can be summed up in one word...hormones. In 6th grade I did not have much temptation in my life. Perhaps my biggest sins were a lie here and there, throwing snowballs at the school bus and riding my minibike where I shouldn't.
But in 9th grade a whole new world opened up to me. The temptation of drinking, drugs and premarital sex presented themselves to me at exactly the same time I was being taught evolution. I knew the Bible said that being drunk and having sex outside of marriage was wrong, but here is my science teacher, telling me the origin of man is completely contradictory to what the Bible taught as the origin of man. I felt excited.....and decided the Theory of Evolution was for me, after all the Bible was scientifically wrong on the very first page!! I considered myself to be an atheist. As an atheist I no longer had to abide by any rules but my own. If I wanted to get drunk, no problem, if I wanted to try to have premarital sex no problem, I now belonged to the evolution "religion" (religion meaning a system of beliefs built on faith) that allowed me to sin without guilt.
It was not the data that made me an atheist, it was the conclusion, a belief that made me the judge of right and wrong. Those cartoon drawings of ape men did look sharp, but I wanted to believe them emotionally, more than I really believed them intellectually.
BTW, the reason why I know that he was only pretending is that he had told me that every night that he was an "atheist" he prayed to God. Whisky, Tango, Foxtrot, Oscar? No actual atheist would do that, but only a pretend atheist. If you know any Bible verse that says otherwise, do please quote it, book, chapter, and verse.
That's a major problem that your "transcendental morality" causes for believers: it presents them with a huge tempting loophole. They want to indulge in all kinds of depravity, but their religion teaches them that they cannot indulge themselves,
unless they become atheists. So, like Bill, they pretend to be atheists just so they can indulge in depravity. So they think that depravity is part of the atheist condition. Such idiots!
Stop, think, discuss. Then maybe you can eventually stop being as bass-ackwards as your name.
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