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Author Topic:   Extinction of Dinosaurs: Consensus Reached . . . mostly
creationliberty
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Message 46 of 53 (583863)
09-29-2010 11:00 AM


Dinosaur and Man together
Claiming the extinction of anything requires absolute omniscient knowledge over the whole earth and every living thing at the same moment in time, and that's an arrogant and slippery position to hold. They claimed the Coelacanth was extinct 325 million years ago, but they found it a few decades ago off the coast of Australia.

And what did the evolutionists say? "Wow, it must have survive for 325 million years!" It's an unfalsifiable theory, which means it's not science.
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The Likouala Swamp is about 55,000 square miles and about 85% unexplored. There are many very dangerous creatures in the jungle, including deadly insects, deadly animals, and harsh uninhabitable conditions for mankind. Considering the near impossibility to bring camera film and electronic equipment on expeditions due to the high humidity levels, it's no wonder why it hasn't yet been explored.
Roy Mackel, an evolutionary biologist and professor of zoology, raised a quarter of a million dollars to go on an expedition into the Congo jungle to find a creature referred to by the surrounding inhabitants as, "Mokele-mbembe." He came back from that expedition, and wrote a book called: A Living Dinosaur? The Search for Mokele-Mbembe. Roy Mackel, an evolutionist, claims he has seen a living dinosaur.
Roy Mackel picked up some guides and visited different tribes that would venture into the Congo. He asked one tribe, "What is Mokele-Mbembe?" The tribesman drew him a creature that looked exactly like a brachiosaurus. So to make sure no one was conspiring to feed him a story, he visited another tribe, drew a picture of a brachiosaurus, and asked, "What is this creature?" They all answered, "Mokele-Mbembe!"
Mokele-mbembe means 'stopper of rivers'. Dr. Mackel was also told that if he came to a place along the river where there were no hippos or crocodiles, mokele-mbembe probably lives there. Though the brachiosaurus is still not as large as it used to be, it can, according to the tribesman, get large enough that when it traverses a small river, it actually stops it from flowing.
(For more details, pictures, and eye-witness accounts, see "Dinosaurs and the Bible" at creationliberty.org)

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Message 47 of 53 (583865)
09-29-2010 11:09 AM
Reply to: Message 46 by creationliberty
09-29-2010 11:00 AM


Re: Dinosaur and Man together
You could at least spell the guys name right. Don't you know that hearsay is not evidence for anything other than hearsay? Your evidence for dinosaur and man living together is a book written by a biologist who heard rumors from tribesmen living in the jungle? He never even saw the mythical creature for himself. I suppose his search for the Loch Ness monster is also evidence for the Loch Ness monster, eh?

"What can be asserted without proof, can be dismissed without proof."-Hitch.

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Message 48 of 53 (583869)
09-29-2010 12:26 PM
Reply to: Message 46 by creationliberty
09-29-2010 11:00 AM


At least the basic facts
Why should we take your word for anything when you cannot even get basic facts correct.
but they found it a few decades ago off the coast of Australia.
quote:
until the first Latimeria specimen was found off the east coast of South Africa, off the Chalumna River (now Tyalomnqa) in 1938
Coelacanth - Wikipedia
That is neither a few decades ago or off the coast of Australia. Are you lazy or do you just cut and paste from fundie sites that lie?

Facts don't lie or have an agenda. Facts are just facts

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Message 49 of 53 (583894)
09-29-2010 1:10 PM
Reply to: Message 46 by creationliberty
09-29-2010 11:00 AM


Re: Dinosaur and Man together
Claiming the extinction of anything requires absolute omniscient knowledge over the whole earth and every living thing at the same moment in time, and that's an arrogant and slippery position to hold. They claimed the Coelacanth was extinct 325 million years ago, but they found it a few decades ago off the coast of Australia.
First off, they claimed that the coelacanths had been extinct for about 70 million years. Secondly, it is quite understandable that we would miss a species that spends most of its time in 200 meters of water or more. I really don't see how this can be compared to a land dwelling dinosaur, most of which were at least the size of large dogs and some quite a bit bigger. We humans tend to spend quite a bit of time on land compared to deep oceans.
Roy Mackel, an evolutionary biologist and professor of zoology, raised a quarter of a million dollars to go on an expedition into the Congo jungle to find a creature referred to by the surrounding inhabitants as, "Mokele-mbembe."
It turned out that when shown pictures of a rhinoceros the local inhabitants identified it as Mokele-mbembe.
"The BBC/Discovery Channel documentary Congo (2001) interviewed a number of tribe members who identified a photograph of a rhinoceros as being a Mokl-mbmb.[3] Neither species of African rhinoceros is common in the Congo Basin, and the Mokl-mbmb may be a mixture of mythology and folk memory from a time when rhinoceroses were found in the area."
Mokele-mbembe - Wikipedia

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Message 50 of 53 (583926)
09-29-2010 2:22 PM
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09-29-2010 11:00 AM


Re: Dinosaur and Man together
creationliberty writes:
Claiming the extinction of anything requires absolute omniscient knowledge over the whole earth and every living thing at the same moment in time, and that's an arrogant and slippery position to hold.
Not really. When we say a species is extinct, what we mean is something like, "I'm afraid we can't find any living specimens." There's no arrogance. More often than not, we sincerely wish we could find a living specimen. Every evolutionist on earth would be tickled pink over the discovery of a living dinosaur.

"It appears that many of you turn to Hebrew to escape the English...." -- Joseppi

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Message 51 of 53 (584004)
09-29-2010 6:37 PM
Reply to: Message 46 by creationliberty
09-29-2010 11:00 AM


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Message 52 of 53 (584075)
09-30-2010 4:02 AM
Reply to: Message 46 by creationliberty
09-29-2010 11:00 AM


Re: Dinosaur and Man together
Claiming the extinction of anything requires absolute omniscient knowledge over the whole earth and every living thing at the same moment in time ...
No --- to claim to have absolute omniscient knowledge that something is extinct requires absolute omniscient knowledge.
Otherwise, such a claim is just on the same footing as any other general statement such as "pigs don't have wings" or "for every action there is an equal and opposite reaction": a summary of our present knowledge, potentially subject to falsification by the observation of a counterexample.
And what did the evolutionists say? "Wow, it must have survive for 325 million years!" It's an unfalsifiable theory, which means it's not science.
It took me a few minutes to figure out what you were trying to be wrong about.
The theory of evolution is plenty falsifiable, but not by propositions which have no possible bearing on it. The proposition that the coelacanth was extinct was not a prediction of the theory of evolution any more than the proposition that the dodo is extinct. They are based simply on the observations that no-one could find a coelacanth and that no-one can find any dodos, respectively.
Creationists think that dodos are extinct*. If they are wrong, would this falsify creationism? If not, does that mean that creationism is unfalsifiable?
* At least, I presume that they do, since they have no particular motivation to be wrong about this subject.

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Message 53 of 53 (584079)
09-30-2010 4:54 AM
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09-29-2010 11:00 AM


Re: Dinosaur and Man together
Roy Mackel, an evolutionist, claims he has seen a living dinosaur.
No he doesn't. Whilst he would dearly love to find a living dinosaur, and has put a lot of effort into looking, he never claims to have succeeded. From the foreword to his book (most of which you can read on Google Books):
quote:
As the search for this well-concealed creature is still unresolved this book cannot answer the question "Is Mokele-mbembe a living dinosaur; but it should help us to appreciate the question is worth asking

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