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Author Topic:   Apes vs. Man What are your thoughts??
gene90
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Message 3 of 68 (5431)
02-24-2002 11:32 PM
Reply to: Message 2 by wj
02-24-2002 11:31 PM


Couldn't we fix that rather easily with germ-line genetic therapy?

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Message 15 of 68 (5576)
02-26-2002 5:07 PM
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02-26-2002 4:47 PM


We might be making a mistake though, since our systems have been adapting to vitamin c as an essential nutrient suddenly producing it again might cause overdose.
Try it on monkeys first.

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gene90
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Message 48 of 68 (5846)
02-28-2002 9:41 PM
Reply to: Message 47 by Punisher
02-28-2002 7:43 AM


Ah, so you have faith in the infallibility of the Bible. So you also have faith in the hundreds of people that have translated the Bible for you. Including corrupt Church authorities and politically saavy Roman emperors?
Since when did the Bible become the fourth member of the Godhead? It seems to be headed in that direction.

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gene90
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Message 49 of 68 (5847)
02-28-2002 10:09 PM
Reply to: Message 42 by Punisher
02-27-2002 2:18 PM


[QUOTE][b]In every one of these cases the fact that something was written in the Bible was treated as a guarantee that it was true. [/QUOTE]
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That's how Jesus put off premature execution, whenever the priests challenged him he confounded them with Scripture.
[QUOTE][b]Matthew 21:42[/QUOTE]
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Refers to Messianic prophecy, not Creation.
[QUOTE][b]John 5:39[/QUOTE]
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Deals with Messianic prophecy, not Creation.
[QUOTE][b]Matthew 22:29[/QUOTE]
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Is a rebuttal of the priests for their corruption, selling things in the temple, etc. Not Creation.
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Mark 14:49
Refers to Messianic prophecy, not Creation.
[QUOTE][b]The fact that something was predicted in the Bible was, for Jesus, enough to guarantee that it would happen.[/QUOTE]
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The Bible did not exist in the time of Jesus.
[QUOTE][/B]Luke 24:25[/QUOTE]
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Refers to Messianic prophecy, not Creation.
[QUOTE][b]The sum of these statements is to show how Jesus taught that the scriptures to which he had access were inspired by God and were fully authoritative.[/QUOTE]
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Fully authoritative at the time perhaps, but not necessarily literally correct. The parable of the prodigal son may be "fully authoritative" but that doesn't mean it literally happened.
[QUOTE][b]no part is omitted, which shows that Jesus accepted all of it as God's word.[/QUOTE]
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And what Jesus said is God's word. But not all that Jesus said actually happened, he used parables.
[QUOTE][b]The way that the quotations are used shows that Jesus did not only accepted them as moral guides. He also accepted the Old Testament descriptions of history[/QUOTE]
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Aside from references to people which were smitten and prophecies that refer to him in particular, Jesus doesn't spend a lot of time talking about history. And the references to Sidon, Tyre, Sodom, and Gomorrah, and the people of Noah's time, are in the context of comparing them to his contemporaries, ie, "If you thought they had it bad you just wait till you see what's waiting for you...", much like the story of that prodigal son or the gardener whose heirs were murdered by his tenets so that they could take his grapes.
[QUOTE][b]and its prediction of events yet to come.[/QUOTE]
All the prophecies you mentioned were in relation to him. Creation was, strangely, absent.
[QUOTE][B]Jesus believed every part of the Scriptures to be inspired and that no part of the Bible can be ignored. If we are to be true followers of Jesus, true Christians, we must accept the teachings of Jesus.[/QUOTE]
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Accepting the teachings is not the same as accepting everything he said as being literal. See Matthew 13:13. The importance of any religious instruction is in the moral, not the story. That's why Jesus taught in parables rather than specifics. Why then is Creation not a parable?
Finally, Jesus spoke of Genesis as well.
[QUOTE][b]Matthew 19:3—6[/QUOTE]
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Is not an endorsement of Genesis but the obvious fact that people were made as males and females.
Also remember that he was answering to the learned priests, so naturally he would demonstrate that he knew Scripture, and would do his best to use their own material against them.
[QUOTE][b]Luke 17:26—32[/QUOTE]
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Used Noah as a parable, and the people as a comparison to the generation of his time. That might as well have been a reference to fictional literature, the same point would have been conveyed. Since it was a comparison, he did not state that it actually happened. Compare this to his other parables.
[QUOTE][b]John 5:46—47[/QUOTE]
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Is another reference to Moses' Messianic prophecy, not Creation. Though it was supposedly written by Moses, it still is probably allegory. If Jesus can use parables, so can prophets.
[QUOTE][b]If you can't bring yourself to believe the Old Testament then you must believe that Jesus was either misquoted or lying.[/QUOTE]
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I think you are misquoting him. I also think that you should not view the whole Bible as being intended literally.

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Message 55 of 68 (5885)
03-01-2002 8:30 AM
Reply to: Message 54 by Peter
03-01-2002 6:17 AM


Since the originating biology thread is still strong I think maybe we should yield to them.

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