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Author Topic:   Why is your religon true and not the religion of others?
jar
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Message 3 of 47 (584681)
10-03-2010 1:33 PM
Reply to: Message 1 by frako
10-03-2010 9:43 AM


Of course I am not sure my religion is the right one. In fact I imagine that all religions including my religion are wrong.

Anyone so limited that they can only spell a word one way is severely handicapped!

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jar
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Message 9 of 47 (584696)
10-03-2010 3:10 PM
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10-03-2010 2:20 PM


well there is the problem of Constantin doing the editing of the bible and selecting wich scripts are holy and not
Actually there is no evidence I know of that says he selected any of the content, only that the books be imposing and suitable for the churches he was creating.

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jar
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Message 13 of 47 (584714)
10-03-2010 6:31 PM
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10-03-2010 6:09 PM


On the Council of Nicea
Note that talks about an entirely different issue, the issues related to Arius and is related to the Council of Nicea. If you actually read Sozomen's writings you will find that there is no mention of creating a Canon of the Bible. The only mention of Canon revolves around practices such as marriage of certain presbyters.
The issue that revolved around Arius was related to the Trinity.
The main product of the Council of Nicea was the Nicene Creed, not the Bibles he commissioned. There is almost no information I've ever found about any directions from Constantine about the content of the Bibles, only their aesthetics.
You can read more of the available information on Sozomen here.
Edited by jar, : fix subtitle

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jar
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Message 29 of 47 (584824)
10-04-2010 11:31 AM
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10-04-2010 10:25 AM


Bluejay writes:
jar writes:
I imagine that all religions including my religion are wrong.
Can you tell me a little more about this?
Is this your way of saying that religion is really just a best guess at things that we can't actually understand?
Or, are you saying that we don't get guidance from God, or that any guidance we do get is not particularly helpful for our understanding?
All religions, even the one I am a member of, are just human constructs. Even the Gods we worship are but human constructs. Just look at the two very different gods depicted in the first two books of the Bible. The older god found beginning in Genesis 2 is very human, has more power than a human and can do magic, but it is still hands on magic, making clay figures and animating them, calling down curses, ordering some form of soldier to stand guard. It is unsure, frightened, learning on the job by trial and error. Its concern is local and limited, creating a garden and finding something to take care of that garden, talking of gold and and river names and where they go. It is a god of a small world.
But it is a very, very human and personal god, one that walks with its creation, talks with it, makes clothes for it.
The much younger god found in Genesis 1 is quite different, overarching, separate, creating by an act of will alone, more aware of the universe but impersonal, not directly interacting with its creation.
Religions are like maps. Some maps may reflect the actual territory more closely or accurately than others, may be more accurate in one area and less accurate in others, but they are still maps.
The Map is not the Territory, the Treasure Chest is not the Treasure.
As for the issue of guidance from GOD (as opposed to some God or god) I have found no way to actually tell if the guidance is really from GOD except to test the content of the message using reason, logic and reality. I understand that I can never be sure the guidance is really from GOD, even if I believe that is true.

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