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Creation as presented in Genesis chapters 1 and 2

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ringo
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Message 581 of 607 (584825)
10-04-2010 11:44 AM 		Reply to: Message 580 by ICANT
10-04-2010 11:22 AM

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What I think has nothing to do with the question I asked.
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You made the statement that Genesis 5:1 refered to the account in Genesis 1:27.
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How do you know Genesis 5:1 refers to the account in Genesis 1:27?
I didn't ask you what you think. I asked you how you or anybody else can tell whether characters in different accounts are the same or different. Have you thought about that at all? If you can answer my question about Jesus and Paul, you'll have the answer to your question about Adam. If you can't answer my question, we can go slower.
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"It appears that many of you turn to Hebrew to escape the English...." -- Joseppi
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Message 587 of 607 (584843)
10-04-2010 12:41 PM 		Reply to: Message 583 by ICANT
10-04-2010 12:04 PM

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The only thing or person that can answer the question I asked you is you.
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If you can't or won't answer the question we are done.
I have answered the question. If you're not prepared to answer the question I asked you, it's clear that you don't understand my answer.
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One more time, the reason for thinking that the same character, Adam, is referred to in Genesis 1 and Genesis 5 is the same as the reason for thinking that the character Jesus referred to in Matthew is the same character Jesus referred to in Mark, Luke and John. If you thought about my question honestly, you'd have the answer to your question.
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Message 591 of 607 (584878)
10-04-2010 2:05 PM 		Reply to: Message 589 by ICANT
10-04-2010 1:44 PM

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The man created in the image/likeness of God in Genesis 1:27 is never called Adam or anyother name.
As I did point out, the Hebrew word adam is used for "man" in Genesis 1:27. Same word, same man.
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The same word is used in Genesis 2:7- 8 and Genesis 2:15-16 and Genesis 2:18, translated as "the man". The same word is used in Genesis 2:20 and afterward, translated as "Adam". Same word, same man. There's no reason to make a distinction between the proper noun and the generic term for "man".
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10-04-2010 3:03 PM 		Reply to: Message 593 by ICANT
10-04-2010 2:46 PM

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What Hebrew word has the meaning of Adam?
The Hebrew word adam. It refers to man/mankind in some places, or specifically to "the man" in some places, and in other places the same word is used as the name of one man, Adam.
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The Hebrew word means man or mankind.
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Now if you disagree with the Hebrew lexicon write your own, or produce one that defines as Adam a proper name.
Your own source defines adam as "3. Adam, first man".
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I ask again:
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How do you know Genesis 5:1 refers to the account in Genesis 1:27?
I answer again: The same way we know that the Jesus in Matthew is the same as the Jesus in Mark, Luke and John. The accounts may vary somewhat but there's no reason to suggest that they refer to different people. Jesus is sometimes called Jesus, sometimes Christ, sometimes the Son of Man, etc., all different words, but you have no problem understanding that they refer to the same person. So why would you make a fundamental distinction between the same word adam and Adam?
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"It appears that many of you turn to Hebrew to escape the English...." -- Joseppi
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10-07-2010 7:33 PM 		Reply to: Message 600 by ICANT
10-07-2010 7:05 PM

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It is a mis-transliteration of the Hebrew word not a definition of the Hebrew word.
That's your claim. Show us where anybody agrees with you.
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ICANT writes:
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If it was the definition instead of a mis-transliteration then I would accept it as a proper name.
Again, nobody cares what you accept. You're the one who's making extraordinary claims so you're the one who has to back them up. So far, all you've done is demonstrate that you don't understand English. I doubt that that gives anybody much confidence in your understanding of Hebrew.
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Message 604 of 607 (585395)
10-07-2010 10:12 PM 		Reply to: Message 602 by ICANT
10-07-2010 9:46 PM

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Do you disagree that the text says what I have presented?
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If you do please explain what is wrong.
The whole thread explains what is wrong. You simply don't understand what the text says.
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"It appears that many of you turn to Hebrew to escape the English...." -- Joseppi
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Message 607 of 607 (585456)
10-08-2010 11:53 AM

The entire hypotheis is based on ICANT's misunderstanding of English.
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"It appears that many of you turn to Hebrew to escape the English...." -- Joseppi
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