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Message 311 of 348 (585431)
10-08-2010 10:06 AM 		Reply to: Message 305 by Big_Al35
10-08-2010 8:23 AM

Big_Al35 writes:
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2) Revelation predicts that a scorching ball would hit the earth in the future. We have records to show that objects have hit the earth and that another could possibly hit in 2029 or 2036. (Apophis).
I predict that a volcano will erupt under the sea 'in the future'.
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When this comes to pass - will you accept me as a prophet?
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10-08-2010 10:19 AM 		Reply to: Message 310 by Big_Al35
10-08-2010 9:53 AM

Big_Al35 writes:
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Revelation predicts that a scorching ball would hit the earth in the future.
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Big_Al35 writes:
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The issue here is not the prediction. Ofcourse, comets and asteroids are always likely to hit the earth in the future and we are all capable of making the prediction. The point here is that someone understood the concept of comets and asteroids 2000 years ago.
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Understanding a "scorching ball" is very different from understanding comets and asteroids...
...unless you think that comets and asteroids are just hot balls of stuff that fall randomly from the sky?
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{abe}Damn. I think Huntard kinda said this first.
I'd rather you answer Huntard's post than my mine.
It'll help keep the thread clearer, I think.
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Edited by Panda, : Too slow!
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Message 318 of 348 (585454)
10-08-2010 11:51 AM 		Reply to: Message 316 by Big_Al35
10-08-2010 10:55 AM

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Scorching ball is my term not the NIV term. The NIV uses words like huge mountain, all ablaze, being thrown into the sea. I simply used this term as an illustration. The fact that you have picked up a term that isn't even used shows that you haven't read the book. And now you're questioning the authors understanding of comets/asteroids? Bizarre!
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My understanding of the bible has no connection to the authors understanding of comets, etc. It doesn't matter how often I read the bible - their knowledge will never increase.
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So, do you think that comets and asteroids are just "huge mountains, all ablaze, [that are] thrown into the sea"?
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Or do you see that they did not have an understanding of what comets and asteroids are?
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10-08-2010 12:29 PM 		Reply to: Message 319 by Big_Al35
10-08-2010 12:00 PM

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If they didn't understand what comets and asteroids are does that mean that we do? Does that also mean that we understand the effects of such objects on us? Having never witnessed such an event I can't say that I do understand the impact of such an object so I find your line of argument irrelevant.
So, we appear to have gone back to square one.
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You initially said:
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The point here is that someone understood the concept of comets and asteroids 2000 years ago. The also understood that one could come crashing to earth. They further determined that such an event could wipe out a percentage of life here on earth. Considering that most of the advances in astronomy have been made within the last 300years, the fact that early humans had access to this information is staggering.
My reply was that they didn't understand the "concept of comets and asteroids 2000 years ago", due to their inaccurate description of what a meteorite is.
This means that their prediction is simply self-evident and pointless - we can all make those kinds of predictions.
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"...the fact that early humans had access to this information" might be staggering if it was true - but it is clearly not.
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10-09-2010 10:05 PM 		Reply to: Message 333 by BarackZero
10-09-2010 9:44 PM

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You responded in typical leftist fashion
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BarackZero writes:
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Ad hominem attacks are the sine qua non of leftists everywhere.
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BarackZero writes:
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Leftists always, always pretend to be enlightened, intellectual, smart, scientific, and all things moral, good, and brilliant.
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Likewise, leftists ascribe the exact opposite of themselves to everyone who does not march in leftist lockstep.
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BarackZero writes:
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That you and so many of your pals here must engage relentlessly in jejune ad hominem attacks speaks volumes about your true scientific and intellectual acumen.
The irony is strong in this one...
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10-10-2010 10:11 AM 		Reply to: Message 337 by BarackZero
10-10-2010 7:25 AM

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Point out where I accused anyone else of being an ignorant teenager, as your fellow leftist accused me.
Why do I need to? That is not what was ironic.
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BarackZero writes:
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Point out where I accused anyone else of being an ignorant teenager, as your fellow leftist accused me.
Why do I need to? That is not what was ironic.
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I highlighted the part of your text that was ironic.
Was that too advanced for you (much like formatting quotes is)?
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Good one, Panda.
The effect of your sarcasm is proportional to your understanding: zero.
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{abe}Reading Jar's post above has reminded me that BarackZero's inability to read and understand is off-topic.
Let's see if we can get this thread back on topic.
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