Apes vs. Man What are your thoughts??

Fred,evolution is not a religion and the only reason you "beg to differ" is because you seek to bring evolution science down to your level...religion. Evolutionist outnumber creationists on these boards because YECS are a small minority of christians as a whole,let alone in the entire world. In other word,most christians abroad dont even subscribe to YEC nonsense,wisely recognizing the Bible as a dissertation of man's undestanding of the Divine and not a inerant codex of history dictated to man by God Itself.

An interesting exemple would be some diseases that used to be fatal to man,like pneumonia,until we adapted to it. In the old days,it would kill almost anyone who caught it but nowadays,even untreated pneumonia is rarely fatal to anyone but the most frail of individuals.

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Originally posted by schrafinator:
I don't think we have adapted to pneumonia. Pneumonia kills plenty of people, and the reduction in deaths would be mostly due to better treatment and drugs.

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A better example of our species adapting to a pathogen would be the AIDS virus.

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There are individuals who test positive for exposure to the HIV virus, but never develop symptoms of AIDS, or develop them very slowly.
By looking at the DNA of these people, scientists have isolated a shared beneficial mutation. Due to genetic variation, some people in the population possess a mutation in the CCR(5) gene which causes these individuals to not develop AIDS if they have two copies of this mutant gene. If they have only one copy of the mutant gene, they have a very slow onset of AIDS.

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The ancestry of the people carrying this HIV-resisting mutation is quite fascinating; they very strongly tend to come from countries which were affected by Bubonic Plague. Most of the world's population lacks this mutation.

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Actually,no one of europeen decent dies of Pneumonia,even untreated by any drugs unless they are of frail health to begin with. I got pneumonia twice in my life and the first time i got,i didn't even treat it...didn't have time to be sick. I felt lousy for a couple of days but once the worse was over i was ok... The same could be said of europeen settlers in southern america...but the native,the disease was 100% fatal,whatever their individual health because they had no genetic imunity at any level to it.

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Originally posted by bucane:
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That is my problem right now, I'm not sure if Jesus was misquoted or if he was just not right. Who was actually around to document the account of Genesis? That is my main problem.... Have you ever played the telephone game? What happens for about 10 to 20 generations? The story tends to get messed up. So what am I to believe? Modern Science has a lot to offer in the way of explaination and the Bible which is over 2000 years old isn't doing a very good job of explaining the way the world works. So as a person who is very evidence-based I guess the bible doesn't offer a very good case; scientifically that is.... They are a great bunch of stories about humanity and the great love and hate we are capable of but there are no cold hard facts.

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Thats not a problem for YECs..they'll simply tell you that God dictated the Bible to Moses in accurate details...they wont present any evidence however and when you will present evidence of flaws in biblical statements,they'll just re-interpret them to mean something different.

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Originally posted by Punisher:
Sorry if I mis-understand. Are you saying that if you find what appears to be a flaw in a biblical statement, a YEC will help you try to understand the passage more clearly? Or do you really mean that as someone who discounts the Bible you are better qualified to interpret its meaning?

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No,i am saying that the Bible is clearly and without question the work of a PRIMITIVE culture whose superstitious beliefs fill almost every pages of this book. If it is the writen word of God,its impossible to tell because of all the obvious cultural and ignorant bias cluttering it. There is some wisdom in there somewhere but most of it is primitive mythology. I see no more reason to believe in 6 day magical creation and global floods to punish mankind than i do to believe in greek Gods or Norse mythology and until someone can bring me scientific evidence that would lend credence to YEC,its unlikely that my position would change on the subject.

My comment was directed at the more technical(read:scientific) elements of the Bible,most of whom are innacurate or downright wrong and absurd. But you are right of course...as a treatese of philosophy,it does have great value. It is not however a codex of real life historical accounts and those who claim otherwise are simply advertizing their own ignorance.