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Modulous
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Message 44 of 274 (585951)
10-10-2010 4:54 PM
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10-10-2010 4:38 PM


Re: Mark
I still think it is a monetary system.

It isn't a monetary system, it is a transaction regulation system. A monetary system is what represents wealth. In the US the monetary system is dollars. Since you don't trade marks for goods, the marks are not a monetary system.


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Message 54 of 274 (586029)
10-10-2010 8:15 PM
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Re: Mark
You do mean worthless dollars don't you?

Yes, worthless dollars. Bundle them into a box and mail them to me. I'll pay p&p back to you in gold or something, with a little bonus, just for fun.

I thought a monetary system was whatever mechanism the government set up to carry on the business of transfer of goods and services.

Maybe I am mistaken.

Indeed you are, you are probably thinking of economic systems.

quote:
monetary system

noun
anything that is generally accepted as a standard of value and a measure of wealth in a particular country or region [syn: medium of exchange]


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quote:
An economic system is the structure of production, allocation of economic inputs, distribution of economic outputs, and consumption of goods and services in an economy.

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Modulous
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Message 61 of 274 (586041)
10-10-2010 8:57 PM
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10-10-2010 8:46 PM


Re: Mark
Well I was comparing them to the 1425 dollars I paid for my first pickup truck that a comparable truck today costs 30,000 of them.

Well thankfully, those people that invested that 1425 dollars back then into bonds and stocks and other assets could have grown that 1425 into more than 30,000.

Which of these cover,

A mark in your hand or forehead? What is this mark?

A name in your hand or forehead? What is this name?

Or a number in your hand or forehead? This is the number 666.

The fact that these things are required to trade would at least come under

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...distribution of economic outputs, and consumption of goods and services...

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Message 74 of 274 (586086)
10-11-2010 12:29 AM
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10-10-2010 9:30 PM


Re: Mark
My producing identification is a part of the monetary process.

You can call it that if you like. It is a mandatory transaction regulation. It is not currency. As long as we agree on that there's nothing further for me to say.


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Message 81 of 274 (586123)
10-11-2010 10:48 AM
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Re: Mark
The only way the mark can be in the hand or forehead is if it is an implant of some kind.

Like a tattoo, perhaps.

But in which Greek copy is the word 'en' used rather than 'epi'?

That is to say where does it imply the Mark is endodermal rather than epidermal? The copy I have access to uses 'epi'.


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Modulous
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Message 90 of 274 (589858)
11-04-2010 7:51 PM
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11-04-2010 3:30 PM


Re: Mark
Sorry it took so long to get back to you, Had some problems and things that had to be attended too.

No worries. This place isn't a duty

Very possible.

But isn't a tatoo in the skin and appears on the skin?

It's under the top layer of skin, on top of the lower levels of skin.

Are you inplying that 'epi' is only translated as on?

Are you implying that 'en' is only translated as in?

Both are translated as on and in. The translation is determined by the construction of the sentence in which they appear.

Indeed. For instance, if I am holding the Bible, in English we'd say I had a Bible in my hand. But in Greek that might imply that Bible was inside my hands which is crazy (my veins are inside my hands, but the Bible is just sat against my hands). So in that case they might use the 'next to, upon, against' word which is epi 'epi', but this would be translated to 'in', in English. (Nice three syllable repetition there)

Since this is not the place for a Greek class I will belabor the point no further.

Surely, since this is a thread discussing the finer points of a Greek manuscript, there is no better place?

So, what is it about the wording that implies it is under the skin, implanted into that hand, rather than on top of or against the hand?


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