Hi Just being real. Sorry to come in a little late on this, but in your post where you attempt to construct a creation science experiment you introduce the concept of ‘apc’:
The manner in which intelligent agents act and interact can be observed in the natural world and these actions can be described as producing abstruse particularized communication (apc). Only agents acting with intent and purpose can produce apc
Although you don’t give an exact definition of what apc is, in a later post you do subsequently note:
Abstruse: meaning highly complex.
Particularized: to be directed towards a specific object or purpose.
Communication: to exchange or share information.
The concept of apc is to abstrusely communicate or form an aperatice for the purpose of communicating particularized information
My problem is how the examples of apc you give relate to the above concept. In particular the example of the birds nest
Natural materials used by an intelligent source display apc. For example a birds nest is comprised of twigs and leaves but is intentionally formed in a bowl shape.
Please help me here. I can see how the birds nest fits in to your definition of abstruse, but I’m not sure how any nave observer (say an alien) stumbling upon a bird’s nest would be able to discern whether it was particularized or not. I’m also concerned as to how the birds nest fits in to the communication part of apc — how is it exchanging information, and with who / what?
I have even more trouble fitting your final example into the apc concept:
A stick in the hands of a chimpanzee displays apc when he uses it as a tool to retrieve ants from an ant hole.
It is a concern that in order to recognize apc we need to recognize ‘purpose’, when in reality purpose is defined not by our observation of the object, but by watching an intelligence creating or utilising the object (ie the stick had no apc until the chimp picked it up). In the end this all boils down to ‘an object is intelligently designed when we see something intelligent designing it’. Not a very useful definition really.
Once again, sorry for coming in late on this, and if you have answered my questions already please just point me in the right direction (at ~350 posts it's hard to wade through all the info here).
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