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dyluck
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Message 57 of 163 (585539)
10-08-2010 4:59 PM
Reply to: Message 48 by BarackZero
10-08-2010 8:28 AM


Re: Life After Death
Hi everyone! Just found this forum! very intriguing!
Reading everyone's comments here! very interesting stuff.
One thing that interests me is people who don't want existance after death or some kind of eternal life.
Originally I had an crazy fear the prospect of living forever. My goodness! how many planets and stones could you count in eternity before you get so board its crazy?
People always told me "heaven will be so awesome and so beautiful that you will be overwhelmed". I thought, sure, for a time, then after you have counted all the stones in heaven and seen everyting you can, you will still be board.
My fear is gone now because, finally, from a Christian perspective, I realized that it's not about heaven or even living forever for that matter. Its about God and his eternal glory. I look at it this way. Eternity, with God, will be so amazing that a heaven is a sideline "bonus". Its not about heaven or living forever. It is about God and always about Him. Say there was day and night in heaven. The first day being with Him would require a strenghening and unbelievable glory standing at his Footstool that is so inexplainably winderfull that he would have to maintain your strength to even be within his Glory. The next day, you go to bed, wake up and moreso ever increasing is His eternal glory that the power overwhelms you with Joy unbelieveable so much that you must be strenthend to be in his power. We will spend eternity chasing down God and the Face of Christ and never be board because God is infinite and so beautiful that no bricks, no games, no stupid doctrines of bliss and virgins would even be near your mind but the glory of the everlasing God.
BarakZero, just wanted to quote on this:
quote:
God has placed in the heart of every man a longing that is reflected in the poster's original message. Either you will worship God, or you will worship something, anything else.
You are right, let me expand. We are indeed a slave to 1 master. Righteousness or Sin. The bible is very clear that nobody truely seeks him and infact everybody hates him. If it wasn't for the supernatual work of God to change someone's heart, even that person, too, would hate God because it is his depravity.
It is presumptious to say to an Athiest that he is self indulgent and self worshiping; however, the product of Athiesm is self worshiping because an Athiest has no reason to submit to anything else but Self.
I dont' understand Agnostics though. They believe there is a God or higher power, but most don't live like there is one.
Biblically, there is no excuse for either. A difficult passage to accept but looking around at the majesty of this world and the expanse! This wasn't chance.
Romans 1:18-20
18For the wrath of God is revealed from heaven against all ungodliness and unrighteousness of men who suppress the truth in unrighteousness,
19because that which is known about God is evident within them; for God made it evident to them.
20For since the creation of the world His invisible attributes, His eternal power and divine nature, have been clearly seen, being understood through what has been made, so that they are without excuse.
Edited by Adminnemooseus, : Fix quote box. Did not have the "/" before the "quote" at the end.

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dyluck
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Message 62 of 163 (585557)
10-08-2010 6:25 PM
Reply to: Message 59 by ringo
10-08-2010 5:40 PM


Re: Life After Death
Hmm do you have to earn an ability to quote in the forum?
Anyway:
"Maybe He should take the hint."
Point proven.
"Atheists and agnostics often have a higher standard of morality than theists because they empathize with their fellow humans instead of seeing them as depraved sinners."
There is no competition for morality...
Question for you though with potentially a the higher standard of morality.
If I were to take everything you thought, said, did and put it on a DVD, come together in person with everyone in this group, you would never show your face again. Infact, I can confidently say there are things you have said and done that you wouldn't even share with your best friend. You tell me that mankind isn't depraved? What has gone on in the majority of people's minds would make hitler look like a choir boy.
"you make Heaven sound like heroin Heaven sound like heroin"
Can you please read what I had said again? Heaven is peanuts compared to the glory of God. I think the only side effect of his Glory is more unbelievable glory.

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dyluck
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Message 63 of 163 (585559)
10-08-2010 6:27 PM
Reply to: Message 61 by Larni
10-08-2010 5:49 PM


Re: Life After Death
Yeah! someone who knows where this name comes from. SoM is still a classic!

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dyluck
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Message 65 of 163 (585567)
10-08-2010 6:50 PM
Reply to: Message 64 by Larni
10-08-2010 6:47 PM


Re: Life After Death
Off rails, I know, I will play it once and a while to this day.
The three player at the same time was awesome. Gameplay and story was great! I would say, its better then most Zelda games.

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Message 72 of 163 (586310)
10-12-2010 1:40 PM
Reply to: Message 66 by ringo
10-08-2010 7:05 PM


Re: Life After Death
Thanks for the forum syntax help!
ringo writes:
And Hitler would look like an amateur next to the God of the Bible.
Does not the potter have the right to do with his pottery as he pleases?
Honestly, if there is a God, creator of the universe. How can anyone stand against Him?
I’m trying to give us an example that nobody is "innocent, just or righteous". Everyone knows their a sinner... nobody think how badly and nobody thinks of its utter consequences.
ringo writes:
I think the smell from the crematoria lake of fire would bother some of us.
It does say in the Bible that the smoke will rise up forever. Bone shattering scary to me.
I would bother me. At the end of the day, if there is a Holy and Just God, His Justice is perfect and he will execute his Justice. The fact that the only way his Justice could be satisfied is to propitiate himself by his Son's sacrifice. If someone tells you that forgiveness of God is possible, they are wrong. Forgiveness is made possible because God's sacrifice of his Son satisfied His own justice, his wrath due us. Therefore God is the Just and the Justifier. Jesus didn't become sin on a tree and satisfy God's justice by merely dieing a horrible death on the Cross. God crushed him under the full weight of his Wrath. Not only that, Jesus suffered incomprehensible wrath for us, but resurrected from it also. This proves that His sacrifice in our place was sufficient.
So, either God's justice is carried out on you and me, or it is carried out on the only one weighty enough to satisfy Divine justice. This is the reason that nobody says why Hell is forever... Gods justice will never be fully satisfied by anyone other then Christ.
Let me bring up a couple thoughts at general audience target:
1. Most evolutionists believe in something they don't fully understand beyond what they were taught in school. Which, is a second or third source at best. Everyone presupposes weather your an evolutionist or creationist; however, I can confidently say the proof is in the pudding. Look around you at the greatness of this world, universe and everything in it. This leads me to the second point.
2. Many atheists and even religious people are embracing the superstring theory. Not saying I believe it; however, weather you believe in the existence of just this universe, the existence of infinite universes on a parallel plain of existence or an Infinite God who ordains, creates and orchestrates an ID for His own good pleasure and glory. You still have to believe in something greater then you and even greater then this universe.
3. Bible says God is the only thing that creates out of nothing. so either you believe that matter itself is indeed infinite, its power is infinite to create such a wonderful place, or there is an infinite creator. Either way, infinity exists and we will have to submit to it.

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dyluck
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Message 73 of 163 (586313)
10-12-2010 1:50 PM
Reply to: Message 71 by Dr Adequate
10-10-2010 7:09 PM


Re: Life After Death
Dr Adequate writes:
You believe that and you still get out of bed in the morning?
You believe that and you still get out of bed in the morning?
Personally I have never wanted to commit genocide. I would wager that this is true of most people.
Im wonderiung if you actually have evaluated the things you have thought, done and said.
Nobody was saying you contemplate genocide. I believe that God restrains us and his mercy sustains us; however, what goes on behind closed doors or in your mind. I think a big difference between here and Hell itself is the lack of the restraint of God where everyone will be left to the deepest darkest hatreds and desires.
Here's a question. Have you ever hated anyone? Jesus says you have already comitted murder in your mind. How about looked at another person with lust? Jesus says you have already commited adultry with that person in your mind.
Have you ever lied? Im sure you have, that makes you a liar
Have you ever stole anythinhg? I am sure you have, weather it be a pen or a song on the internet, That makes you a theif.
I'm pretty sure we can nail down every one of the 10 commandments themselves..
Now, you believe that a criminal should have justice right? What about you? We are all criminals we are all guilty of every command laid out in, at least, the 10 commandments.
Now let me ask you this. What part of God's law don't you like? Is it the one about being a thief? Is it the one about not murdering?

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dyluck
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Message 74 of 163 (586314)
10-12-2010 1:55 PM
Reply to: Message 67 by onifre
10-09-2010 12:43 PM


Re: Life After Death
onifre writes:
Ok, so far I've gathered, from what you write, that God is a man who owns a footstool (probably not IKEA because God doesn't own shit products) and that he likes for us to hang out near the amazing footstool, I assume so we can check out the craftsmanship.
Your age eludes me by this statment.
Obviously I was drawing a picture of the greatness of God.
onifre writes:
Wait, we get tired in the afterlife to the point where our "bodies" required us to go to sleep?
Do we get assigned beds?
Who makes these beds? Certainly not the same company making God's footstool, so I'm guessing we get IKEA?
Another age defining stament. Sorry, honestly it is.
Assuming you didn't read the part that probably said "say there was day an night". Again, trying to illustrate a picture.
onifre writes:
I'm glad this is the case, I was starting to think I meant something.
Well, what do you think you are? Honestly, I want to know. Are you the God of your own world? Do you submit to some God or are you goign through life, chancing what happens after you die and hope that it all turns out?

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dyluck
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Message 77 of 163 (586322)
10-12-2010 2:36 PM
Reply to: Message 75 by Dr Adequate
10-12-2010 2:12 PM


Re: Life After Death
Dr Adequate writes:
What I have not done is stuff that would make Hitler look like a choirboy, not even in the privacy of my own brain.
I understand that preaching the Gospel requires you to point out that we are in a fallen state and require forgiveness. But when you go further than this and claim that the average man is more evil than Hitler, then you're just shooting yourself in the foot. People are not generally that evil.
Intersting. Read Romans 1:18 and on if you are interested in God's oppinion about man's so-called "fallen state". He even claims, that everyone hates God. Man doesn't require simply "forgivness" but a justifying savior for forgiveness to even be possible.
Man is depraved... man is evil Romans 3:9-19. To the point that a earth covered of 2000 years of population and culture was wiped out in an instant which only 8 people surviving a deluge.
I did say "most people" and no one is good not one, let alone righteous. How do you know what goes on in the mind of your best friend? I can say biblically, its not good. If he could tell you, would he? honestly? Even if you think you never thought anything really "that" bad, how bad is it toward's God, first of all. And would you honestly admit to henious thougts even to a forum crowd? Suffice to say, the majority of things we do that we may concider "good" are concidered "fithly rags" to God (the direct translation of that by the way is used girl rags by the way). so maybe, let me rephrase this, perhaps you aren't making hitler look like a choir boy now, but how about without the restraint of God even on your own life, you would make hitler look like a chior boy.
Here is some quick practical examples:
Do you think that the creators of the Saw Movies aren't horrible? We all sit there watching it thinking this is good entertainment when really its sick, twisted and demented.
How about many of the movies we watch were suddenly we feel ourselves feeling sorry over the situation of the bad guy. Doesn't that tell you something? There is a paradime shift going on out there and it really is making the bad look good and the good look bad. Dont' you agree?

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dyluck
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Message 84 of 163 (586358)
10-12-2010 6:43 PM
Reply to: Message 78 by Omnivorous
10-12-2010 2:42 PM


Re: Life After Death
Omnivours writes:
BTW, I think Dr A's most heinous thoughts would pale before your God's apparent contempt for women.
Find for me the contempt for women in the bible? We are made equal but share a differnt role in life. Does not a parent love his & her children? Is their role to not do that? Does a child not honor his parents and assumes the role of a child? Then a women and a man have their roles. Its not about pecking order. Anyone who tells you that a women must submit to their men in a abusive subissive (underling) sense is taking the entire chapter / bible out of context.
the whole role in family life mirrors that of the relationshp between the Father / Son and holy spirit. Although the Son is 100% God and equal in every way, submits to the Father and is seen doing this many times.

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dyluck
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Message 91 of 163 (586455)
10-13-2010 12:09 PM
Reply to: Message 82 by onifre
10-12-2010 5:13 PM


Re: Life After Death
Thanks for the replies oni! i do respect the fact that you respond.
onifre writes:
You said, "So there was day and night in Heaven," you said that as fact. Which to me, it seems silly to think that an immaterial place is going to have a sun and a moon and a functioning solar system as found in reality. Do you ever look into this stuff?
Sorry, I meant to say "say" not "so"
The bible doesn't say we will live in an immaterial place and be immaterial beings. The "spiritual afterlife" as it were is a moment, age or what have you. The bible doesn't go into detail about exact times; however, biblically, we will be resurrected as Jesus resurected into a new, eternal, body and on a new earth. People who reap the consequences of God's wrath will also resurrect the same, be judged, and be cast into the lake of fire.
onifre writes:
I am the master of my domain...sometimes.
If by master, do you mean you make 100% free will decisions without any outside influence what-so-ever?
onifre writes:
I'm an atheist, so currently I have neither experienced nor seen any tangible, empirical evidence to support any god concept that humans believe in today or throughout history.
But yet, I would argue, you haven't seen, or experience anything tangible for any first level sources to justify a believe in atheism as well; yet, I can conclude by your own designation, you put your faith in the notion of nothingness.
onifre writes:
After I die is of no concern to me just like before I was born. There is no need for wishful thinking or to live your life by some rule that good here rewards you somekind of special treatment when you're dead - just don't be a dick to people while you're alive should be enough.
You must put faith in your first sentance for you to make statements like that.
Can I interject? Lets go back to our inability here. I don't know if you ever heard a Christian say their are "free" after they have "converted". Unfortunately many people mix that up. "free" isn't a license to be "born again" yet live the devil, a hypocritical life. "free" is the God given ability to seek and follow God. The bible implicitly says that you cannot even come to God without God changing your very heart and nature first. Spiritually and supernaturally speaking, giving life to a dead man who is incapable of his own ability to come to God let alone please him, opening his eyes and ears so that he can respond to God.
This is what separates every other religion of self righteous works salvation and salvation based on the virtue and merit of another, the only one capable and worthy before a Triune holy God (Jesus, God's Son).
Hopefully, this statment will answer another question from others. Most people say what a ridiciouls thing. A God creates man after his image, alows them to sin, damns them to hell... for what? "I can't love a God like that". Well, you aren't God and, by reading the bible, we understand God's purpose. His purpose is always himself, his glory and his person. That said. How would creation know of his mercy if there were no instance of his mercy being shown? What about wrath, justice, love, soverigenty, salvation so on and so on. Understand, I do not believe this life is about me and some Ogre that sets some random life in motion, sits back and watches it all fall appart. I believe God's hand is in everything and everything plays out according to His will, purpose and good pleasure.
Now the fact of the matter is, he could have chosen not to show mercy at all... or enough love to his creation to crush his own son so that we may be saved from our God hating sin.
onifre writes:
How am I chancing anything? Do you mean like some sort of Pascal's Wager?
We all take risk and chance. Do you truly know what will happen after you die? It never happened to you? Probably not. Therefore its like closing your eyes, plugging your nose and jump in on blind faith that what you believed was true in the end. Call it what you will. God cannot be summed up logically and in inconceivable. But, rejecting a valid "logical" point, at least I don't have anything to lose if I die and cease to exist. You certainly do if you are, indeed, wrong. So I can give Pascal some credit. Please understand, this last statement is not a tactic to make you believe.
I believe implicitly that only God can open a heart like yours or mine for this crazy and rather scandalous, God sacrificing himself in place of us notion, to make sense to the point that it consumes your very outlook on life!
Edited by dyluck, : quote syntax issue

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dyluck
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Message 93 of 163 (586459)
10-13-2010 12:19 PM
Reply to: Message 76 by Omnivorous
10-12-2010 2:22 PM


Re: Life After Death
Omnivorous writes:
I've always found it striking that believers here tell atheists that if there were no God, everyone could loot, pillage and rape to their hearts' content, and everyone would.
Since I don't, and none of the atheists I know do, I have to wonder what prompts that notion; perhaps you believers are restraining yourselves only by your religious beliefs?
Is that true?
Awesome statement and a very valid challenge.
Let me tell you something about religion. Religion is a set of beliefs, practices, rituals and so on that, in essence, must be done in order to be saved.
What most people and many Christians as well don't realize is that the difference between Religion and dare i say "true Christianity" is that Religion is devoid of God.
the bible says: "If you love me, you will obey my commands". It does not say: "If you love me you must obey my commands". There are many others, but that is the most easy to understand.
I hope you can see the difference in that statement. One of the evidences you are talking to a true Christian is literally his actions. Are they forced beyond his wanting? or are they just a product of who he is? Is that person’s nature different?
So if you find someone telling you he is a "Believer" yet, with all his might, restraining himself from doing all the evil things he loves. You should question his salvation as it were.
Edited by dyluck, : grammar and spelling

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dyluck
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Message 94 of 163 (586462)
10-13-2010 12:22 PM
Reply to: Message 92 by jar
10-13-2010 12:13 PM


Re: Life After Death
Yeah, I read over that and probably could have added a couple more sentances to make it more understandable.
Anyway, nobody is out "marketing God". The fact is, this is Ev. vs. Cre. forum and its a given I will be talking faith.

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Message 95 of 163 (586468)
10-13-2010 12:39 PM
Reply to: Message 79 by Dr Adequate
10-12-2010 2:49 PM


Re: Life After Death
Dr Adequate writes:
Yeah, look, I'm not arguing that people don't do bad things. I myself have done bad things. If you want to argue for Christianity, that's a good place to start.
But instead you start by arguing that the average person is more evil than Hitler. Well, no we're not.
Ok, by what standard are you referring? Where did you learn your moral ability? Was it by your culture, your upbrining ? Where did your culture get their morals?
Interesting how, no matter what culture, every one of them has a problem with murder among others. Where does that come from? Where did a cell or primate in evololution ever come to understand what is right from wrong? Who was the first person to say murder was wrong? You see, we live in a culture where it is wrong. Althought the mayans knew what they were doing was wrong. For some strange reason, they sacrificed themselves in some crazy genocidal mass slaying.
Since the begining of mankind, religion (I hate using that word) has always brought about a moralistic governance.
Although, you compare yourself now as it were. I was arguing without the grace of God, everyone would be left to their inherant evil desires.
I think the problem with most people. Is that everyone knows they are a sinner. The problem is they really don't konw what that means and how bad it really is. Nobody analyszes their "man I hate that person" thoughts or "uugg i just wished he would die" thoughts. And all of us have thought that... So, to you, what makes a murderur in their minds, any differnt in desire then the ones who, without thought carries them out?
Thing is, most people hate hitler and wished he would have justice on him. Nobody stops and realize that hitler was doing what he did because of what he thougth was best... the result of fastening evolution's doctrine in inequality. One person is more evolved then another; lets keep all the "more evolved humans". Hitler was twisted and functining off his own make my own rules, answer to myself morals and mantality. He had nobody to answer to but himself and what he thought was right. Unfortunatly he was dead wrong...

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Message 97 of 163 (586476)
10-13-2010 1:19 PM
Reply to: Message 80 by ringo
10-12-2010 2:54 PM


Re: Life After Death
ringo writes:
No. For one thing, he doesn't have a right to use it as a murder weapon.
So, if you made something. A painting for instance. you dont' have the right to either display it for everyone to see or to hide it in your basement or to tear it appart?
wonder why you would expect God to have any less rights then you let alone more concidering he is indeed the Creator.
dyluck writes:
Honestly, if there is a God, creator of the universe. How can anyone stand against Him?
ringo writes:
Now you're conflating right with might.
Tell me then my friend. How do you manage what is right and wrong for a God? If he exists, what are you going to do to stand against him? I picture a nat banging its head against a wall a mile thick and a mile long. I'm not meaning you being the nat by the way Just painting a picture if you will.
ringo writes:
God [voice of Marlon Brando] says: "What have I ever done to make you treat me so disrespectfully with your sinning? [thoughtful pause] I'm gonna make you an offer you can't refuse. [dramatic pause] Kill my son and we'll call it even."
That isn't justice. It's sheer stupidity.
You are right. It does sound crazy. Yet people infadically believe it. Most people are like you, see it for a scandal and walk away. Some see it as everything to them.
ringo writes:
The reason that I (and probably many others) reject fundamentalist dogma is because it's really, really stupid. If there was life after death, I certainly wouldn't want to spend it with such an idiotic god or anybody who's idiotic enough to follow him. (No offense intended. )
And if there is life after death and this "idiotic god" exists. What you going to do then? This type of thought to me is ignorant and almost appears more brave more faith to believe then anything I know. But that is just me
ringo writes:
Non sequitur.
ugg you made me google that
All Non sequitur laughs asside. How do you reason with non eternity?

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Message 101 of 163 (586484)
10-13-2010 2:09 PM
Reply to: Message 96 by DrJones*
10-13-2010 12:57 PM


Re: Life After Death
DrJones* writes:
Your evidence for this is?
DrJones* writes:
I'm not a sinner.
Hmmm... you obviously didn't look up the definition of sinner.
Sinner is a Transgressor and without a shadow of a doubt you have transgressed the law. This, in the simplest definition, makes you a sinner. I can bet, stacked up against the ominous 10 commandments, you have broken every law.

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