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Dr Adequate
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Message 51 of 163 (585468)
10-08-2010 12:22 PM
Reply to: Message 50 by BarackZero
10-08-2010 12:17 PM


Re: Life After Death
Argue with somebody else.
But you're the one doing the talking.
Dr. Ross spoke with dying people, often children.
You are, of course, much wiser than she or any other medical researcher.
No-one has yet disputed her claims.

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Dr Adequate
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Message 55 of 163 (585489)
10-08-2010 1:04 PM
Reply to: Message 54 by Larni
10-08-2010 12:42 PM


There was a story on a topical new program in the 90s (The Day Today) about an experiment looking into the existence of souls that seemed pretty valid, reliable and generalisable to the wider human population.
I volunteer to be in the control group.

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Dr Adequate
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Message 71 of 163 (585999)
10-10-2010 7:09 PM
Reply to: Message 62 by dyluck
10-08-2010 6:25 PM


Re: Life After Death
What has gone on in the majority of people's minds would make hitler look like a choir boy.
You believe that and you still get out of bed in the morning?
Personally I have never wanted to commit genocide. I would wager that this is true of most people.

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Dr Adequate
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Message 75 of 163 (586318)
10-12-2010 2:12 PM
Reply to: Message 73 by dyluck
10-12-2010 1:50 PM


Re: Life After Death
Im wonderiung if you actually have evaluated the things you have thought, done and said.
Nobody was saying you contemplate genocide. I believe that God restrains us and his mercy sustains us; however, what goes on behind closed doors or in your mind. I think a big difference between here and Hell itself is the lack of the restraint of God where everyone will be left to the deepest darkest hatreds and desires.
Here's a question. Have you ever hated anyone? Jesus says you have already comitted murder in your mind. How about looked at another person with lust? Jesus says you have already commited adultry with that person in your mind.
Have you ever lied? Im sure you have, that makes you a liar
Have you ever stole anythinhg? I am sure you have, weather it be a pen or a song on the internet, That makes you a theif.
Yes, I have.
And what you wrote was, and I quote:
What has gone on in the majority of people's minds would make hitler look like a choir boy.
That's not actually true, is it? You go on to ask me if I've ever hated anyone or whether I've looked on anyone with lust. Yes, I have, good guess.
What I have not done is stuff that would make Hitler look like a choirboy, not even in the privacy of my own brain.
I understand that preaching the Gospel requires you to point out that we are in a fallen state and require forgiveness. But when you go further than this and claim that the average man is more evil than Hitler, then you're just shooting yourself in the foot. People are not generally that evil.
Now let me ask you this. What part of God's law don't you like? Is it the one about being a thief? Is it the one about not murdering?
No, I'm cool with that.
What I objected to is your claim that most people are more evil than Hitler. They're really not.

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Dr Adequate
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Message 79 of 163 (586325)
10-12-2010 2:49 PM
Reply to: Message 77 by dyluck
10-12-2010 2:36 PM


Re: Life After Death
Yeah, look, I'm not arguing that people don't do bad things. I myself have done bad things. If you want to argue for Christianity, that's a good place to start.
But instead you start by arguing that the average person is more evil than Hitler. Well, no we're not.

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Dr Adequate
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Message 86 of 163 (586375)
10-12-2010 8:54 PM
Reply to: Message 72 by dyluck
10-12-2010 1:40 PM


Re: Life After Death
Does not the potter have the right to do with his pottery as he pleases?
Does the potter make pots that are more evil than Hitler?
Now that's one bad piece of crockery.

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Dr Adequate
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Message 98 of 163 (586477)
10-13-2010 1:20 PM
Reply to: Message 95 by dyluck
10-13-2010 12:39 PM


Re: Life After Death
Ok, by what standard are you referring?
The average person is not worse than Hitler by pretty much any moral standard.
A more interesting question would be, what standard are you using to say that they are?
Althought the mayans knew what they were doing was wrong. For some strange reason, they sacrificed themselves in some crazy genocidal mass slaying.
Since the begining of mankind, religion (I hate using that word) has always brought about a moralistic governance.
Those two sentences make for an odd juxtaposition. The Mayans performed human sacrifice because of their religion.
Thing is, most people hate hitler and wished he would have justice on him. Nobody stops and realize that hitler was doing what he did because of what he thougth was best... the result of fastening evolution's doctrine in inequality. One person is more evolved then another; lets keep all the "more evolved humans".
A thesis somewhat spoiled by the fact that Hitler was a creationist.
Hitler was twisted and functining off his own make my own rules, answer to myself morals and mantality. He had nobody to answer to but himself and what he thought was right.
He thought that he was answerable to God, who he thought would approve of what he was doing.

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Dr Adequate
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Message 110 of 163 (586496)
10-13-2010 3:07 PM
Reply to: Message 104 by dyluck
10-13-2010 2:26 PM


Re: Life After Death
Where'd you get that from?
From reading what Hitler actually said and wrote, instead of learning to recite creationist nonsense.
The most marvelous proof of the superiority of Man, which puts man ahead of the animals, is the fact that he understands that there must be a Creator. - Adolf Hitler, Hitler's Tabletalk (Tischgesprache im Fuhrerhauptquartier)
From where do we get the right to believe, that from the very beginning Man was not what he is today? Looking at Nature tells us, that in the realm of plants and animals changes and developments happen. But nowhere inside a kind shows such a development as the breadth of the jump , as Man must supposedly have made, if he has developed from an ape-like state to what he is today. -
Adolf Hitler, Hitler's Tabletalk (Tischgesprache im Fuhrerhauptquartier)
For it was by the Will of God that men were made of a certain bodily shape, were given their natures and their faculties. -
Adolf Hitler, Mein Kampf, vol. ii, ch. x
The fox remains always a fox, the goose remains a goose, and the tiger will retain the character of a tiger. The only difference that can exist within the species must be in the various degrees of structural strength and active power, in the intelligence, efficiency, endurance, etc., with which the individual specimens are endowed. - Adolf Hitler, Mein Kampf,
vol. i, ch. xi
interesting as 9 out of 10 evolutinists believe in evolution yet the minute you start talking about the basics of darwinsm, can talk circles around them.
I guess I must be one of the other 10%.
By the way, what do you suppose that your mistakes about Hitler have to do with "the basics of darwinism"?
Edited by Dr Adequate, : No reason given.

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Dr Adequate
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Message 112 of 163 (586498)
10-13-2010 3:12 PM
Reply to: Message 104 by dyluck
10-13-2010 2:26 PM


Re: Life After Death
Exactly. a leagilistic moral superceede that goes against the very basic preserve of life.
Well, that's what happens when religion goes bad. Here's a typical inscription from a Mayan pyramid:
Now go, attack the Amalekites and totally destroy everything that belongs to them. Do not spare them; put to death men and women, children and infants, cattle and sheep, camels and donkeys.
Oh, wait, sorry, that's the Old Testament.

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Dr Adequate
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Message 128 of 163 (586530)
10-13-2010 5:45 PM
Reply to: Message 117 by dyluck
10-13-2010 4:29 PM


Re: Life After Death
There are no easy explination.
True.
God is soverign and, these things included I accept him as God and I have faith that he knows what's best for his people and I trust him.
I guess that's what the Aztecs said about Tezcatlipoca.

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Dr Adequate
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Message 129 of 163 (586531)
10-13-2010 5:48 PM
Reply to: Message 125 by dyluck
10-13-2010 5:39 PM


Re: Life After Death
Do you believe hitler was indeed a true christian?
That's a more difficult question. But certainly he was a creationist who denied both the possibility of evolution and the evidence for it.
You don't have to be a "true christian" to be wrong about biology, you know.

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Dr Adequate
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Message 134 of 163 (586538)
10-13-2010 6:49 PM
Reply to: Message 130 by dyluck
10-13-2010 5:51 PM


Re: Life After Death
1 Huitzilopochtli is first in rank, no one, no one is like unto him: not vainly do I sing (his praises) coming forth in the garb of our ancestors; I shine; I glitter. 2 He is a terror to the Mixteca; he alone destroyed the Picha-Huasteca, he conquered them. 3 The Dart-Hurler is an example to the city, as he sets to work. He who commands in battle is called the representative of my God. 4 When he shouts aloud he inspires great terror, the divine hurler, the god turning himself in the combat, the divine hurler, the god turning himself in the combat.

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