Existence After Death

Exactly. a leagilistic moral superceede that goes against the very basic preserve of life. Where'd you get that from? Did you study the history and WW2? A close friend of mine did the majority of his graduate degree on hitler and he was, indeed an evolutionist."A review of the writings of Hitler and contemporary German biologists finds that Darwin’s theory and writings had a major influence on Nazi policies. In the formation of his racial policies, [Hitler] relied heavily upon the Darwinian evolution model, especially the elaborations by Spencer and Haeckel. They culminated in the final solution, the extermination of approximately six million Jews and four million other people who belonged to what German scientists judged were inferior races (Bergman,1992, p. 109).
"As an example sir. Don't jump into my backyard and feed me this retoric when you don't even know the subject fully yourself. Hitler did make notions to religion and morality. Political statements about religion and state and declaired Germany as a Christian country; however, a professing christian himself or not, the acceptance of evolution was in his very motive. I would then say, no matter if he even called himself a believer in "God", he was not a christian (Obvious by his actions) and further more was an avid supporter of evolution.interesting as 9 out of 10 evolutinists believe in evolution yet the minute you start talking about the basics of darwinsm, can talk circles around them. They just believe what they were taught in school. Interesting how many times you hear. He who controls the schools controls the country.

Seriously? Well I will take it as either you are being extreamly facetious, purposly scoffing, purposly ignorant or i need to burry my face in my hands.Transgression can be on any law, land or God. I would say since most land laws line up with God's law, then you have broken both. Well, you sure can pick out the sin in your life pretty easy
I'm not judging you, not my job. I can help you see it but you are obviously doing that very good yourself. There is 1 race, human race. Racism is not a reflection at all of Christ. In fact, I would argue that Evolution is racist. You are catching on for sure! Yes and no. Sin is a term widly used in the unreligious world as a term for bad, evil or provoitive. You can't argue people don't know what sin is because they do know.Everyone is aware of their sin. One of the biggest reasons why people hate God is because they are aware of their sin.

Im a full believer in you reap what you sow. Secondly (this may stir up some trouble) but I don't believe a converted, regenerated christian could pull his own trigger. Referring to the bible, his nature couldn't allow it.
Now, hitler and many others like him are guilty of horrible horrible crimes and should pay for them. Would you wish an eternal punishment even on hitler? I think if we truly knew the extense of it, we wouldn't wish it on anyone.
That said. What if hitler converted, his life changed, his motives change he repented (turned away from his sin). He became a new man. Genocide stopped etc. Doesn't mean that he wouldn't still suffer the conceqences of his actions. It would mean that Hitler, would take his punishment on earth. Be still be a different person anyway. Humble and poor in spirit. In the case of conversion, Christ would have bore his haneous sin on the tree... I think if there were degrees of Hell, he would be at the bottom. If Christ paid that price... how much more would could appreciate what he would have done for us?
anyway, nobody knows, but if he took his own life, its evidence he was never saved to begin with.

I expect no less to hit hard. Many use this as a tool for disbelief.There are no easy explination. You could say "gotcha". The old testament is just as vaild in biblical truth as the New testament. anyone who tells you otherwise doesn't fundimentally believe the bible is God breathed.Now, there is no hiding the fact that God commanded the Isrealites to erradicate certian groups of people. Some, the reaons are beyond me. Honestly there are things in the bible to this day that I am still learning and have yet to be revealed to me and I do put faith in some things I do not understand.
Some things I can say for sure though.
God is God, and for thousands of years there hasn't been this kind of command. Revelation states that God, himself (not his people) will judge the world. I don't expect it to be pretty. In fact the description in Revelation isn't the santa clause people picture God as.
Secondly, Isreal was in a state of war and the Amalekites were a part of it. Also, the Amalekites were practicing some very horrid things.

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The Amalekites were a source of constant woe to Israel. Shortly after the Israelites left Egypt, the Amalekites attacked the weary people, slaughtering the weak and elderly (Deuteronomy 25:18). Even the Babylonians had a bad opinion of them, calling them Khabbati, or plunderers. The Amalekites and Caananites, among other nations, practiced child burning, torture as public entertainment, and sexual immorality as sport. The Israelites later avenged the attack and defeated the Amalekites, but failed to completely eradicate the nation. Israel was then plagued with continuous Amalekite raids (Exodus 17; 1 Samuel 15:2; Numbers 14:45). We can safely assume that God knew Amalekite decedents would always bear rage against His people. In the book of Esther, Haman the son of the Agagite, who was an Amalekite king, sought to exterminate all the Jews. Even today, the name Amalek is a symbol for hatred against Jews. How different things might be had Israel obeyed God to the letter?

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You should also remember the story of the Ninevites. God was warning them through Jonah to change their ways or be utterly destroyed, and they repented. God deals far more justly and mercifully than most people are willing to admit." - Amazing Facts - Christian Media

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God is soverign and, these things included I accept him as God and I have faith that he knows what's best for his people and I trust him.Edited by dyluck, : syntax

See nobody is consigning you to eternal punishment. At the end of the day, you are either for him or against him. Bible says, if you are against him.. well you know He says. Even more-so as a "deconverted christian" you know.
See, this is where I wouldn't have said you were truly converted but remained unconverted. The bible says that that once he starts a good work in you he will finish it. He will never let you go.
I grewup believing I was christian, lived like the devil, thought that Jesus did that whole die for me thing, i can be the devil and I will still go to "heaven". This wasn't me being christian at all... This was me lieing to everybody about what I was and thinking a carnal christian was actually christian. I was unconverted and God hating.
It wasn't until one day I got sideswiped by something I cant explain and my entire life changed without any explainable influence. Things I was habitually doing gone. I was free... free of habitual, god hating sin. I once loved it but now I hate it. Ok, good statement, so you tell me what is good justice. How can God be a good judge?

Curious, who made you the judge of hitler?
Who said the people running the crusades or hitler were even going to heaven? God's the judge of that.
There was a dark time in the Roman Church... God will deal with them severly I am sure.

Sounds like unbiblical founded huministic ritual talk to me.
Nobody can do anything on this earth to save anybody. If God wanted to save hitler then he would have done it, God would have changed his heart. No matter what silly human ritual or some "absolution" thought a priest. no prayer is going to save you, no priest is going to save anybody. Thas why baby baptism is such a silly practice. Its funny how synergistic salvation creeped its way into the roman church.
God is the one who chooses who he will save, he supplies the means, he changes the heart He drives the person to repent and gifts them with grace and faith to continue in it. Sustaining them as a good father does.
God saves us from himself, for himself, through himself. Simple.

Sorry Aztecs, my bad.
Anyways, I don't get it. Not up on my ancient Aztec hisory.. Was there going to be some world wide Aztec revolt? Or are you sarcasticly eluding to doing it because if they didn't their "god" would have ended the world?

You neglect to mention that everyone had the option of choosing to get on board the boat. Secondly, this was clearly a judgement of a God that has the right to do with his creation as he will...No, I was saying that you are either for him or against him. You are either a slave to sin or righeousness. One leads to death and the other to life. You decide what that means to you. You didn't answer my question. Describe a just judge for me please.

I admit, im not the WW2 history buff. I will have to talk to my friend to pull some stops here.Secondly, say he was indeed a "christian". He certianly wasn't following the bible. If a so-called christian is trying to add to what is in the bible, make up his own laws, says its from God is a liar and the truth is not in him at all.Do you believe hitler was indeed a true christian?Matt 7:21-23 " 21 "Not everyone who says to me, 'Lord, Lord,' will enter the kingdom of heaven, but the one who does the will of my Father who is in heaven. 22 On that day many will say to me, 'Lord, Lord, did we not prophesy in your name, and cast out demons in your name, and do many mighty works in your name?' 23 And then will I declare to them, 'I never knew you; depart from me, you workers of lawlessness.'"

Lawlesness is that better? how many different ways you want me to say it.? Ok, what part of God's law do you not like? The do not murder part? the do not steal part? Tell me?We are commanded to obey the law of the land barring it doesn't superceed God's law. So just not obeying the law of the land is a "sin against God". If our law says that you must steal from another person at least once a day, guess what. Im going to jail because Im not going to steal.

19For what can be known about God is plain to them, because God has shown it to them. 20For his invisible attributes, namely, his eternal power and divine nature, have been clearly perceived, ever since the creation of the world, in the things that have been made. So they are without excuse. 21For although they knew God, they did not honor him as God or give thanks to him, but they became futile in their thinking, and their foolish hearts were darkened. 22Claiming to be wise, they became fools, 23and exchanged the glory of the immortal God for images resembling mortal man and birds and animals and creeping things.
24Therefore God gave them up in the lusts of their hearts to impurity, to the dishonoring of their bodies among themselves, 25because they exchanged the truth about God for a lie and worshiped and served the creature rather than the Creator, who is blessed forever! Amen.

Guess you weren't reading the same bible as me...
Just because a person says they are a Christian doesn't mean they are one.
I can say I'm an engineer but at the end of the day, by my actions, you can see I am not an engineer. Make sure you read it thouroughly before quoting it. Matt 2533He will put the sheep on his right and the goats on his left.
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34"Then the King will say to those on his right, 'Come, you who are blessed by my Father; take your inheritance, the kingdom prepared for you since the creation of the world.
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41"Then he will say to those on his left, 'Depart from me, you who are cursed, into the eternal fire prepared for the devil and his angels. Matt 7
14But small is the gate and narrow the road that leads to life, and only a few find it.

I was meaning in context of how bad is it? No law in there is bad.
You have a problem with it because you take the lords name in vein and worship other gods and don't keep the sabbath. At the end of the day you have a problem with the law because I believe you hate it.Nobody is expecting you to obey it, just making a point.

Well Obviously you are catholic 1.61803. I believe in the apostolic foundation. There is much to be said about the proofs herein but, in a nutshell, you are right, Jesus did give the apostls the foundation ability to plant the first churches. Peter being a capstone, cornerstone. But that doens't necissarily mean that the cornerstone or refoundation is constantly being built. If you are interested in my reasoning please PM me. Before you talk about Free Will, ask yourself this question and look up it's definition. How much of your decisions in this life is completely without interferance, influence, culture or cooersion by any outside source? If you have even 1, you do not have absolute free will.
You have a problem with God allowing somoene to do something you don't like yet the bible is chalked full of things that lead us down 1 path. Nothing that happens and i did say Nothing happens outside of the Will of God. He works ALL things according to the council of his Will. also, how to you handle: John 6:44 all of Romans 9?
I recon the only one who truly can make a decsion without any outside influence is God. Therefore God really is the only being with Free Will. I am not about to oust church history but without biblical substanance, it is meaningliess as the breath out of the nostril of man. Baptisim is important. Baby baptism in a human act to somehow secure its place in heaven is unbiblical sir. Im talking about the roman church not mormanism or islam right now. The roman church ("catholic"). Says they believe in the same God as me, read the same bible as me; yet the bible overflows with the Soverignty of God. Man has his responsibilty of course, but not in his salvation. That is 100% God 0% man. Its not simple friend... its so impossible that the thrice holy son of God had to come down, become the very curse he hates, die and be shamed on a tree, shed his blood, be crushed by his own father and resurect from it so that we may be saved.