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Junior Member (Idle past 4852 days) Posts: 6 From: Grand River, Iowa, United States Joined: |
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dyluck Member (Idle past 4934 days) Posts: 31 Joined: |
1.61803 writes:
Sounds like unbiblical founded huministic ritual talk to me. Not the point. The point was if Adolf received absolution and last rites prior to his death. Would it be springtime for Hitler in heaven?Nobody can do anything on this earth to save anybody. If God wanted to save hitler then he would have done it, God would have changed his heart. No matter what silly human ritual or some "absolution" thought a priest. no prayer is going to save you, no priest is going to save anybody. Thas why baby baptism is such a silly practice. Its funny how synergistic salvation creeped its way into the roman church. God is the one who chooses who he will save, he supplies the means, he changes the heart He drives the person to repent and gifts them with grace and faith to continue in it. Sustaining them as a good father does. God saves us from himself, for himself, through himself. Simple.
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ringo Member (Idle past 432 days) Posts: 20940 From: frozen wasteland Joined: |
dyluck writes:
If he kills millions of people with a flood, I'm against him. Are you suggesting that I'm not consigned to eternal punishment for being against him?
See nobody is consigning you to eternal punishment. At the end of the day, you are either for him or against him. dyluck writes:
Your god can't be a good judge. He can't be a judge at all for the same reason that Charles Manson can't be a judge. He's the criminal. Ok, good statement, so you tell me what is good justice. How can God be a good judge? "It appears that many of you turn to Hebrew to escape the English...." -- Joseppi
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dyluck Member (Idle past 4934 days) Posts: 31 Joined: |
Coragyps writes:
Sorry Aztecs, my bad.
What? Without the Aztecs (and Mayans?) cutting hearts out of folks, all mankind and the whole earth would have ended! They were preserving life with every slice!Anyways, I don't get it. Not up on my ancient Aztec hisory.. Was there going to be some world wide Aztec revolt? Or are you sarcasticly eluding to doing it because if they didn't their "god" would have ended the world?
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dyluck Member (Idle past 4934 days) Posts: 31 Joined: |
ringo writes:
You neglect to mention that everyone had the option of choosing to get on board the boat. Secondly, this was clearly a judgement of a God that has the right to do with his creation as he will...
If he kills millions of people with a flood, I'm against him. Are you suggesting that I'm not consigned to eternal punishment for being against him? No, I was saying that you are either for him or against him. You are either a slave to sin or righeousness. One leads to death and the other to life. You decide what that means to you.
Your god can't be a good judge. He can't be a judge at all for the same reason that Charles Manson can't be a judge. He's the criminal.
You didn't answer my question. Describe a just judge for me please.
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dyluck Member (Idle past 4934 days) Posts: 31 Joined: |
I admit, im not the WW2 history buff. I will have to talk to my friend to pull some stops here.
Secondly, say he was indeed a "christian". He certianly wasn't following the bible. If a so-called christian is trying to add to what is in the bible, make up his own laws, says its from God is a liar and the truth is not in him at all. Do you believe hitler was indeed a true christian? Matt 7:21-23 " 21 "Not everyone who says to me, 'Lord, Lord,' will enter the kingdom of heaven, but the one who does the will of my Father who is in heaven. 22 On that day many will say to me, 'Lord, Lord, did we not prophesy in your name, and cast out demons in your name, and do many mighty works in your name?' 23 And then will I declare to them, 'I never knew you; depart from me, you workers of lawlessness.'"
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ringo Member (Idle past 432 days) Posts: 20940 From: frozen wasteland Joined: |
dyluck writes:
No they didn't. Read your Bible. They weren't given that option.
You neglect to mention that everyone had the option of choosing to get on board the boat. dyluck writes:
As I said, if your god is real, I'm against him. I'm against his idea of sin and righteousness. I'm saying that he wouldn't recognize righteousness if it sat down beside him in church. Are you saying that I'm not consigned to eternal punishment?
No, I was saying that you are either for him or against him. You are either a slave to sin or righeousness. dyluck writes:
As I said, a just judge must be of exemplary character. Mass murderers need not apply. You didn't answer my question. Describe a just judge for me please. "It appears that many of you turn to Hebrew to escape the English...." -- Joseppi
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dyluck Member (Idle past 4934 days) Posts: 31 Joined: |
DrJones* writes:
Lawlesness is that better? how many different ways you want me to say it.?
What sin? As I said, I am without sin.
True, but in this arguement you're not using sin = bad act. You're using sin = transgression of the Christian God's Law
Ok, what part of God's law do you not like? The do not murder part? the do not steal part? Tell me? We are commanded to obey the law of the land barring it doesn't superceed God's law. So just not obeying the law of the land is a "sin against God". If our law says that you must steal from another person at least once a day, guess what. Im going to jail because Im not going to steal.
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Dr Adequate Member (Idle past 305 days) Posts: 16113 Joined: |
There are no easy explination. True.
God is soverign and, these things included I accept him as God and I have faith that he knows what's best for his people and I trust him. I guess that's what the Aztecs said about Tezcatlipoca.
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Dr Adequate Member (Idle past 305 days) Posts: 16113 Joined: |
Do you believe hitler was indeed a true christian? That's a more difficult question. But certainly he was a creationist who denied both the possibility of evolution and the evidence for it. You don't have to be a "true christian" to be wrong about biology, you know.
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dyluck Member (Idle past 4934 days) Posts: 31 Joined: |
19For what can be known about God is plain to them, because God has shown it to them. 20For his invisible attributes, namely, his eternal power and divine nature, have been clearly perceived, ever since the creation of the world, in the things that have been made. So they are without excuse. 21For although they knew God, they did not honor him as God or give thanks to him, but they became futile in their thinking, and their foolish hearts were darkened. 22Claiming to be wise, they became fools, 23and exchanged the glory of the immortal God for images resembling mortal man and birds and animals and creeping things.
24Therefore God gave them up in the lusts of their hearts to impurity, to the dishonoring of their bodies among themselves, 25because they exchanged the truth about God for a lie and worshiped and served the creature rather than the Creator, who is blessed forever! Amen.
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Coragyps Member (Idle past 755 days) Posts: 5553 From: Snyder, Texas, USA Joined: |
Or are you sarcasticly eluding to doing it because if they didn't their "god" would have ended the world? Not sarcastically. That's apparently what they fervently believed. Are you going to judge them? Oh, it appears that you already have.......and they were just trying to keep the world around so you could exist someday. And the Aztecs had lots of gods, nearly all of them much spiffier-looking than the Hebrew model.
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DrJones* Member Posts: 2285 From: Edmonton, Alberta, Canada Joined: Member Rating: 7.2 |
Ok, what part of God's law do you not like? The do not murder part? the do not steal part? Tell me?
For starters:I am the lord your god and you shall have no other gods before me Do not take the name of the Lord in vain Remember the Sabbath and keep it holy which are all laws which impose on my and others freedom of and from religion It's not enough to bash in heads, you've got to bash in minds soon I discovered that this rock thing was true Jerry Lee Lewis was the devil Jesus was an architect previous to his career as a prophet All of a sudden i found myself in love with the world And so there was only one thing I could do Was ding a ding dang my dang along ling long - Jesus Built my Hotrod Ministry Live every week like it's Shark Week! - Tracey Jordan Just a monkey in a long line of kings. - Matthew Good If "elitist" just means "not the dumbest motherfucker in the room", I'll be an elitist! - Get Your War On *not an actual doctor
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jar Member (Idle past 414 days) Posts: 34026 From: Texas!! Joined: |
Do you believe hitler was indeed a true christian? Absolutely as have been many horrific people.
Matt 7:21-23 " 21 "Not everyone who says to me, 'Lord, Lord,' will enter the kingdom of heaven, but the one who does the will of my Father who is in heaven. 22 On that day many will say to me, 'Lord, Lord, did we not prophesy in your name, and cast out demons in your name, and do many mighty works in your name?' 23 And then will I declare to them, 'I never knew you; depart from me, you workers of lawlessness.'" Don't worry, just as in Matthew 25 he is saying that the Goats will be his followers. If there is a Heaven I am quite sure there will be far more atheists, agnostics, Buddhist, Taoists, Animists, Satanists, Jews, Hindus and Muslims there than Christians. Anyone so limited that they can only spell a word one way is severely handicapped!
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Dr Adequate Member (Idle past 305 days) Posts: 16113 Joined: |
1 Huitzilopochtli is first in rank, no one, no one is like unto him: not vainly do I sing (his praises) coming forth in the garb of our ancestors; I shine; I glitter. 2 He is a terror to the Mixteca; he alone destroyed the Picha-Huasteca, he conquered them. 3 The Dart-Hurler is an example to the city, as he sets to work. He who commands in battle is called the representative of my God. 4 When he shouts aloud he inspires great terror, the divine hurler, the god turning himself in the combat, the divine hurler, the god turning himself in the combat.
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bluegenes Member (Idle past 2497 days) Posts: 3119 From: U.K. Joined: |
jar writes: If there is a Heaven I am quite sure there will be far more atheists, agnostics, Buddhist, Taoists, Animists, Satanists, Jews, Hindus and Muslims there than Christians. On atheists in heaven......
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