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Message 12 of 102 (571588)
08-01-2010 12:03 PM
Reply to: Message 11 by barbara
08-01-2010 11:32 AM


Re: Thread Copied from Proposed New Topics Forum
Actually almost right. Pretty good as a matter of fact.
barbara writes:
Evolution is descent with modification (Life can only come from life) and nature never has to start from scratch again right?
It's possible, even likely, that life started several times, maybe even many times. It's also possible, likely even, that life could begin again, even today, BUT, unlike that time long, long ago, now there is other life forms that are occupying all those niches and would simply see any new life forms as food.
The earlier attempts had a chance, they did not have to face being eaten by the billions and billions of hungry critters that are out there now.
barbara writes:
If true then the fact that I am here living right now, my ancestry goes back before I was classified as Human all the way back to the beginning of the first life on this planet.
Yup.
barbara writes:
My line of descent would have many different names to describe who my ancestors were at any particular time frame in history. Humans evolved from many different lines of classification of humans, primates, and before that no one really knows due to lack of fossil evidence.
Almost. We don't know all the specifics but actually have a fair idea of the lineage and are learning more every day.
barbara writes:
In other words the only way for me being alive today is because every generation in history lived long enough to produce the next generation that goes back to its origin.
Yup. Every line that did not reproduce became a dead end.

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jar
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Message 15 of 102 (571603)
08-01-2010 1:52 PM
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08-01-2010 1:37 PM


Re: Thread Copied from Proposed New Topics Forum
barbara writes:
Now that we have established that my whole line of descent is firmly rooted in the tree of life's origin, would my DNA support this?
It certainly confirms parts of the direct descent idea.
Remember, our knowledge of DNA is just beginning, we still have a long way to go.
BUT, the important thing is that until we got some detailed specs on our DNA, the connection even between humans and all the other primates was based on morphological inference.
What we are learning from DNA is simply another independent confirmation of the Theory of Evolution and Common descent. It's that additional confirmation, one from yet another whole different area of knowledge and methodology, that simply added even more weight to the Theory of Evolution.
barbara writes:
Or through its course in history the genes used in the beginning have been deleted or changed for modification as time moved on so it would not be a reliable source?
Not sure what you are asking there. Do we have examples of the first DNA? No, of course not.
Will comparisons between DNA from different critters and plants help us understand our lineage? Certainly.

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Message 43 of 102 (586646)
10-14-2010 10:56 AM
Reply to: Message 30 by matt101
10-14-2010 10:11 AM


Re: EVOLUTION, FORGET IT
DO christians believe this, yes, and is the only practical reasoning, athiest should become believers, if they just think for themselves.
You need to stop right there.
Evolution has nothing to do with Christianity or Atheism and if you keep asserting that it does everyone will just know that you are either ignorant or deliberately posting falsehoods.
The fact that evolution happened and is happening and that the Theory of Evolution is the ONLY model that explains what we see is acknowledged by most Christians.
In the words of the Clergy Project Letter:
quote:
We believe that the theory of evolution is a foundational scientific truth, one that has stood up to rigorous scrutiny and upon which much of human knowledge and achievement rests. To reject this truth or to treat it as one theory among others is to deliberately embrace scientific ignorance and transmit such ignorance to our children. We believe that among God’s good gifts are human minds capable of critical thought and that the failure to fully employ this gift is a rejection of the will of our Creator. To argue that God’s loving plan of salvation for humanity precludes the full employment of the God-given faculty of reason is to attempt to limit God, an act of hubris. We urge school board members to preserve the integrity of the science curriculum by affirming the teaching of the theory of evolution as a core component of human knowledge.

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jar
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Message 48 of 102 (586652)
10-14-2010 11:10 AM
Reply to: Message 45 by matt101
10-14-2010 11:03 AM


Re: EVOLUTION, FORGET IT
Nonsense.
By the way, the Clergy Project Letter is signed by over twelve thousand Christian Clergy.
Sorry Charlie but whoever is teaching you is simply lying to you or very, very ignorant.
You can speak for YOUR beliefs or for the beliefs of YOUR chapter of Club Christian but you cannot speak for Christianity or for GOD.

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jar
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Message 56 of 102 (586669)
10-14-2010 11:44 AM
Reply to: Message 52 by matt101
10-14-2010 11:31 AM


Re: Fact
You die from drinking someone elses blood type, has to match up little bro.
Utter nonsense.
You will not die from drinking someone else blood type.
Learn some basics.

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jar
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Message 58 of 102 (586672)
10-14-2010 11:45 AM
Reply to: Message 55 by matt101
10-14-2010 11:42 AM


Re: EVOLUTION, FORGET IT
Nonsense.
By the way, the Clergy Project Letter is signed by over twelve thousand Christian Clergy.
Sorry CharlieMatt but whoever is teaching you is simply lying to you or very, very ignorant.
You can speak for YOUR beliefs or for the beliefs of YOUR chapter of Club Christian but you cannot speak for Christianity or for GOD.

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jar
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Message 63 of 102 (586677)
10-14-2010 11:49 AM
Reply to: Message 59 by matt101
10-14-2010 11:46 AM


Re: Fact
Transfusion.
Not drink.
Drink all the blood you want of just about any type. I hear Buffy's is an exceptional vintage if it were readily available. Now admittedly, getting Buffy's blood can be hazardous to your health.

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jar
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Message 69 of 102 (586683)
10-14-2010 11:55 AM
Reply to: Message 61 by matt101
10-14-2010 11:48 AM


Re: EVOLUTION, FORGET IT
Well, although the term "proof" is only used in mathematics and not in the Theory of Evolution, given enough time and education I imagine even you could be taught how it works.
To begin I suggest that you start by actually reading The Origin of Species and then The Descent of Man.
Once you have the very basics we can move on to what else people have learned in the last 150 years.

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jar
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Message 80 of 102 (586699)
10-14-2010 12:32 PM
Reply to: Message 71 by Wounded King
10-14-2010 11:59 AM


Re: EVOLUTION, FORGET IT
Well, I fear I am old, and so maybe not current on stuff written this century.
Maybe you can help recommend a few introductory books for Matt to start with.
And Matt, it really is possible to still be a Christian, even a very devout Christian, and to learn about Evolution and the Theory of Evolution.

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jar
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Message 95 of 102 (586745)
10-14-2010 3:54 PM
Reply to: Message 94 by matt101
10-14-2010 3:28 PM


Re: EVOLUTION, FORGET IT
Creating a second ID Matt is frowned upon. It's just not good form.

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