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Panda Member (Idle past 3738 days) Posts: 2688 From: UK Joined: |
Nuggin writes:
This is a really good explanation of the the 'issues' I have with the bible. Frankly, this argument that the Bible was inspired by Satan and all acts within it are really his work but written to pretend that they are God makes a lot more sense than the mainline story which is 100% contradictory to the claims the book is making.Maybe this would make a good thread topic... Edited by Panda, : No reason given.
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Dr Adequate Member (Idle past 309 days) Posts: 16113 Joined: |
You entertain a vain hope. The Holy Spirit is Jesus Christ in another form. Certainly the Holy Spirit has let people think that for the last couple of thousand years --- apart, of course, from the Unitarians, to whom he vouchsafed the truth. And if you don't like that conclusion, you have no basis to argue against it. If the very content of the Bible, let alone its interpretation, is something that the Holy Spirit can let most Christians be wrong about for a couple of thousand years, then where is the solid ground on which you can stand? According to your own theology, it is perfectly possible for devout Christians to be perfectly wrong about such subjects.
You have to speak for yourself. You open wide your potty mouth and blaspheme the deity of Christ. Whereas someone from a different tradition of scriptural interpretation would tell you that you are blaspheming by asserting the divinity of Christ. And the Holy Spirit sits on his Holy Hindquarters for two thousand years without producing some sort of definitive Holy Statement.
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jar Member (Idle past 419 days) Posts: 34026 From: Texas!! Joined: |
The Bible is the work of Man.
Anyone so limited that they can only spell a word one way is severely handicapped!
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Dawn Bertot Member (Idle past 108 days) Posts: 3571 Joined: |
The Bible is the work of Man. Your right, a work of man through the inspiration of God. As usual, you only got things half right. Getting thins only partially correct, along with completely backwards and nonsensical, seems to be theme of yours You havent actually debated publically have you, that would be a hoot to witness, not to mentioned being your opponent. I dont think I could stop laughing long enough to make a rebuttal Dawn Bertot
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Dr Adequate Member (Idle past 309 days) Posts: 16113 Joined: |
You havent actually debated publically have you, that would be a hoot to witness, not to mentioned being your opponent. I dont think I could stop laughing long enough to make a rebuttal You are quite right. Jar, who has made a mere 17757 posts on this forum, has never debated publicly. But if he ever does so, what rings you could run around him --- if only you could get him to publicly state his opinions! But he is so reticent when it comes to that. So for now you will have to content yourself with daydreams of what a wonderful rebuttal you could make if only he would ever publicly state his views, instead of keeping them to himself as is now the case.
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jaywill Member (Idle past 1966 days) Posts: 4519 From: VA USA Joined: |
I'm sure you don't, but the fact is that there are significant discrepancies between the older manuscripts and the new ones, which means there are discrepancies between some versions of the Bible that Christians use for their religion as you can see in the parallel link. In the thousands of copies of all or part of the New Testament there have been said to be about 200,000 "errors" that have crept in. There are about 10,000 places where these 200,000 variants occur. The crucial question is: "How significant are these 10,000 places?" Westcott and Hort estimated that 1/8 th (one eighth) of all the variants have any weight. That greater majority are mechanical matters of spelling and style. They calculate that on the whole about 1/60th (one-sixtieth) rise above "trivialities". These 1/60 could be classified as "substantial variations". This would calculate to about 98.33 % of the New Testament being texturally pure. Another scholar, Abbot Ezra came to a similar conclusion. Abbot calculated 95% of the readings are "various" rather than "rival". That is 19/20 (95 perent) of the remainder are variants of so little importance that their adoption or rejection makes no appreciable difference in the sense of the passage. A third scholar, Philip Schaff comes of with these percentages. The count of variations known in his day were about 150,000. Of these 150,000 copyist descrepencies, only 400 affected the sense of a passage. And of these 400 instances only 50 were of any real significance. And of these 50 not one affected "an article of faith or a precept of duty which is not abundantly sustained by other and undoubted passages, or by the whole tenor of Scripture" Then we have A.T. Robertson calculation that real concern of textural criticism is with a "thousandth part of the entire text" of the New Testament. This would render the New Testament 99.0 percent free from substantial or consequential error. Benjamin Warfield agrees that "the great mass of the New Testament ... has been transmitted to us with no, or next to no variations". That is variations of any substancial consequences to the major doctrines of the New Testament. In fact, the greater number of variants has the opposite effect as might be expected by the skeptic of our faith. The large number of variants supplies a means of checking on those variants. It is ironic that the large number of variants causes the corruption of the text to provide the means for its own correction. In this post I have quoted loosely from the book "A General Introduction to the Bible" by Giesler and Nix, published by Moody Press. Edited by jaywill, : No reason given. Edited by jaywill, : No reason given. Edited by jaywill, : No reason given. Edited by jaywill, : No reason given.
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purpledawn Member (Idle past 3482 days) Posts: 4453 From: Indiana Joined: |
According to Catholicism the Bible's authority rests on the authority of the Church, not the other way. Protestants on the other hand, abandoned tradition as an authority and turned to the Bible. Oddly enough, what the Protestants turn to as an authority was put together by the authority of the Catholic Church.
So while the writings in the Bible are inspired by the needs of the people, the Bible only has authority that man bestows upon it. The Bible only has authority when it suits their purpose. The Savior said There is no sin, but it is you who make sin when you do the things that are like the nature of adultery, which is called sin. --Gospel of Mary |
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bluescat48 Member (Idle past 4215 days) Posts: 2347 From: United States Joined: |
our right, a work of man through the inspiration of God It is actually the imagination of the Bronze age farmers & hunters that is the inspiration. There is no better love between 2 people than mutual respect for each other WT Young, 2002 Who gave anyone the authority to call me an authority on anything. WT Young, 1969 Since Evolution is only ~90% correct it should be thrown out and replaced by Creation which has even a lower % of correctness. W T Young, 2008
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Hyroglyphx Inactive Member |
You must be kidding. I consider Unitarianism very close to biblical Christianity. As a Unitarian your main squabbles are with the Trinity. He said utilitarian not Unitarian. Two completely different things. "Reason obeys itself; and ignorance submits to whatever is dictated to it" -- Thomas Paine
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