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Author Topic:   Who is really in charge of inspiration?
Phat
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Message 4 of 110 (587525)
10-19-2010 10:56 AM
Reply to: Message 1 by Nij
10-18-2010 1:17 AM


To Start With....
Lets assume, for a moment, that humans are influenced by words, sentences, and paragraphs that are able to convey a principle, a concept or a law in the form of a story, a parable, or narration of an actual historical event.
Given these guidelines, I can apply the Bible as a lesson in any way that I wish. I can tell you that the book is divinely inspired and that the SOURCE of this inspiration is God Himself. I can also do as others suggest and examine the CONTENT of the lesson and the CONTEXT and social setting preceding such lesson to give additional considerations to the INTENTION of the lesson.
Concerning good and evil, I feel that the overall lesson being taught is that obeying or conforming to good requires empathy, refutation of selfishness or greed, and oftentimes sacrifice. Evil, on the other hand, is simply actualization and pursuit of power regardless of the harm it may cause to others.
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how do you tell who really inspired that scripture?
I believe that WE are responsible for how we interpret the scripture.

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Message 6 of 110 (587532)
10-19-2010 11:17 AM
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10-19-2010 11:01 AM


Re: Papal infallibilty
Rule#3: If uncomfortable, split from Catholic Church and declare the inspiration as originating from the scriptures rather than the guy in charge.
Inspiration
1.
a. Stimulation of the mind or emotions to a high level of feeling or activity.
b. The condition of being so stimulated.
2. An agency, such as a person or work of art, that moves the intellect or emotions or prompts action or invention.
3. Something, such as a sudden creative act or idea, that is inspired.
4. The quality of inspiring or exalting: a painting full of inspiration.
5. Divine guidance or influence exerted directly on the mind and soul of humankind.
6. The act of drawing in, especially the inhalation of air into the lungs.
For some, belief in a living and active God comforts them, thus they attribute their own inspiration as coming directly from Him.
I maintain that we are still responsible how we apply the inspiration.
Edited by Phat, : No reason given.

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Message 11 of 110 (587566)
10-19-2010 2:11 PM
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10-19-2010 2:00 PM


Re: To Start With....
Phage0070 writes:
But aren't we supposed to have sinful natures, so that we would naturally gravitate toward sinful action?
I agree that we have a propensity to do evil...just look at the history of humanity regarding wars.
We also have the ability to recognize good, in my opinion. Its just hard to do because it is often sacrificial. (Giving away spare change when you have nothing saved for retirement)

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Message 13 of 110 (587570)
10-19-2010 2:25 PM
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10-19-2010 2:15 PM


Re: To Start With....
True enough, but if we got rid of religion we would not eradicate the propensity for evil. Switch "Invisible Friend" with "Will Of The People".

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Message 16 of 110 (587578)
10-19-2010 3:31 PM
Reply to: Message 15 by hooah212002
10-19-2010 3:01 PM


Steering us back on topic
I steered your question into another thread. We can pick up that argument there.
To reiterate this topic:
Nij writes:
The question is this: how do the faithful know that their holy text is truly divine in origin, and not just the best trick ever devised by some evil god, demigod or other superbeing;
how do you tell who really inspired that scripture?
Discussion preferably limited to methods and/or facts which are involved in determining the being(s) responsible for the above, and criticisms of said methods and facts.
We faithful do not nor cannot know, in the strict definition of the word.
We are responsible for our own actions, regardless of whether the inspiration came from the clouds, a bottle, or Mom.

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Message 28 of 110 (587906)
10-21-2010 11:37 AM
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10-19-2010 11:36 AM


You Can Fool Some Of The People....
Ringo writes:
If my name was Satan and I was writing a book to fool people into being evil, that's exactly what I'd do. I'd appeal to your innate sense of empathy and selflessness, then palm the pea, pull the old switcheroo and tell you that the only way to do good was to obey my book.
Most of the churches that I have belonged to have stressed that the Bible was inerrant. (without error) but having participated in and observing many arguments to the contrary, I cant accept this as true without blind faith. The problem then becomes IF the book has errors, how do we know that anything we believe is true? Upon further reflection, I concluded that we don't know. And I concluded that it is ok not to know, as long as one trusts that God knows and is living and active. THAT one I wont be throwing away in the forseeable future.

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Message 70 of 110 (588357)
10-24-2010 11:19 AM
Reply to: Message 69 by jar
10-24-2010 9:31 AM


Serpant must NOT be the Devil then
NIV writes:
John 8:44--You belong to your father, the devil, and you want to carry out your father's desire. He was a murderer from the beginning, not holding to the truth, for there is no truth in him. When he lies, he speaks his native language, for he is a liar and the father of lies.
According to dogma, the serpent was incapable of truth, IF he was in fact Satan.

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Message 102 of 110 (588915)
10-29-2010 3:26 AM
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10-24-2010 11:25 AM


Re: Serpant must NOT be the Devil then
22 And the LORD God said, "The man has now become like one of us, knowing good and evil.
Who is us?

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