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Author Topic:   Who is really in charge of inspiration?
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Message 5 of 110 (587526)
10-19-2010 11:01 AM
Reply to: Message 1 by Nij
10-18-2010 1:17 AM


Papal infallibilty
The question is this: how do the faithful know that their holy text is truly divine in origin, and not just the best trick ever devised by some evil god, demigod or other superbeing;
how do you tell who really inspired that scripture?
This was addressed in Nicea in three hundreds. The Holy Roman Catholic church canonized the books that would be included in the bible and settle questions on various topics concerning the tenants of the faith. In other words started calling the shots.
Since there is no way to know whether the text is from a divine god, the church began the tradition of in the 1800 during The first Vatican council known as Papal infallibility, which concluded that when the Pope speaks "from the chair" His words are guided by the holy ghost and infallible. I know, I know the next question would be. " how do we know that that is truly the Holy ghost and not some demon?" The answer is simple.
Rule number 1. The pope guided by the Holy Ghost is in charge of inspiration.
Rule number 2. If one doubt that is in charge of inspiration see rule number one.
Edited by 1.61803, : spelling
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Message 7 of 110 (587535)
10-19-2010 11:30 AM
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10-19-2010 11:17 AM


Re: Papal infallibilty
Hi Phat, I agree with what you say. But it in no ways satisfies the OP question of how one can be certain the inspiration is truly from a benevolent God and not a demon etc... The bible was cannonized during the council of Nicea in the 300's. The Catholic church could not have the laity going believing, teaching and practicing what ever they wanted. Why? control of course. But I digress, the question of how one truly knows the text is truly divine was emphatically addressed and answered by the Catholic Church. The Church also went on to burn and destroy any text or churches that did not concur during the inquisitions. And to that end once and for all decreed anyone not onboard a heretic.

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Message 82 of 110 (588428)
10-25-2010 4:58 PM
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10-24-2010 7:03 PM


Re: The question this thread is predicated on
Hence, how do we know it really is that god saying so, and not somebody pretending to be him/her/it? We must require something external, which nobody has yet presented.
Yes. It is imperative for the institution or church to validate the things they are saying are inspired from God. This is a bible study forum. It is assumed people are deriving they're information from historical church doctrines and biblical sources. And of course those sources are the very thing in question. No?In other words there is no way to know which is why it is taken on faith.

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Message 85 of 110 (588522)
10-26-2010 11:14 AM
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10-25-2010 8:18 PM


Re: The question this thread is predicated on
Hello Nij,
Nij writes:
The thread is in "Bible Study" because the forum doesn't have a general "Holy Text Study". While the example I used was of course Christianish, 'twas so because it's the first one to jump into my head.
Oh the first on to jump into your head, sort of inspired?
The question is intended to get people to think about their faith. The creotards and godbots here won't be shaken from their blind worshipping, but the ones who have a somewhat less tenuous grip on reality will begin to wonder: why do I believe this thing without any evidence?
Sure but when you get down to the nitty gritty many premises boil down to a argument to authority.
I bet you on a daily bases believe things without evidence.
Every time you read the paper or watch TV or just about any assimilation of facts. Do you personally verify all sources?
Why do you believe the things you do? Because you have intellect and an empirical nature does not mean your information may not be flawed.
We all operate on the notion of belief. Some people seem content to live their lives under less stringent criteria. Some folks accept things based of their traditions, customs and yes religion. If you’re convinced they have it wrong to believe in mythology so what.
Nij writes:
If naught but one person gets that, then that is still one more person managing to see the farce of faith for what it is.
Good thing you brought this thread up, your unflinching devotion to guide the unwashed ignorant masses is to be commended.
Your opinion is duly noted. But for now, some people less intelligent and enlightened than you, will let their faith continue to serve them well if you do not mind.

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