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Author Topic:   Who is really in charge of inspiration?
hooah212002
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Message 12 of 110 (587568)
10-19-2010 2:15 PM
Reply to: Message 11 by Phat
10-19-2010 2:11 PM


Re: To Start With....
I agree that we have a propensity to do evil...just look at the history of humanity regarding wars.
Yea, no kidding.....
"my invisible friend said this land belongs to me so now I will kill you and take it"
"my invisible friend says you are heathen swine because your invisible friend has a different name than him so now I will kill you"
"killing you will please my invisible friend"

"What can be asserted without proof, can be dismissed without proof."-Hitch.

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Message 15 of 110 (587573)
10-19-2010 3:01 PM
Reply to: Message 13 by Phat
10-19-2010 2:25 PM


Re: To Start With....
That doesn't work in this instance. Sure, you could say it was the will of the people....but only so because the people were driven by their holy book.
True enough, but if we got rid of religion we would not eradicate the propensity for evil.
So, you are saying people are inherently evil? Or do you ONLY say that because your holy book tells you that? Sorry I led us OT.

"What can be asserted without proof, can be dismissed without proof."-Hitch.

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Message 18 of 110 (587623)
10-19-2010 7:13 PM
Reply to: Message 17 by jaywill
10-19-2010 7:11 PM


Re: To Start With....
Try to stay on track, jaydub. I was responding to Phat's comment about WAR. You can climb back down your rabbit hole: I'm not following you.

"What can be asserted without proof, can be dismissed without proof."-Hitch.

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Message 34 of 110 (587962)
10-21-2010 3:04 PM
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10-21-2010 2:19 PM


Who acted like God the most ?
Who most definitely claimed to be God come as a man ?
Who embodied Harry Potter the most? The character in the Harry Potter books, that's who. This says diddly about the source of inspiration or the authenticity of the bible. All you are saying is "well, the bible tells of a character who says he is god and says he acted like the god the book describes, so he must be god because he says so". Except, you are already assuming that YOUR particular book is 100% correct.
I think that anything leading me to truly trust in Christ is probably of God. Anything dampaning my appetite for Jesus is probably not of God.
I think one of the points of this thread is: how do you know for certain you haven't been tricked and the "god" you worship isn't really god at all, but some trickster?
I will tell you this, If I do turn out to be wrong about the Son of God Jesus, I will have no regrets whatsoever. Believing in Him and enjoying Him is the best possible life I could have hoped to have lived on the earth.
No regrets whatsoever. If I had to live life all over again, I'd say "Give me Jesus again, only this time SOONER."
Really? You actually enjoy being a POS? You enjoy being a sub-human? A worthless piece of trash? Almost daily you post about how shitty of a person you are just because your invisible friend tells you that you are. I can't believe you would wish to go through that again.....

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Message 40 of 110 (587986)
10-21-2010 6:25 PM
Reply to: Message 37 by jaywill
10-21-2010 4:42 PM


The issue is not nearly that simple. You have a Person born in Bethlehem that was predicted to be born some 500 years earlier. Micah the prophet spoke of one whose goings were from eternity, who would come a ruler of Israel.
Now this scripture was so familiar to the experts in the Hebrew Bible that when Herod asked where any possible "born king" of divine origin was to be located, they were able to say "Bethlehem, that is where."
Now Jesus was an extraordinary Person. He could not have orchestrated His own birth that way. That is unless He truly is the pre-existing and ever existing eternal God.
The prophecies concerning Him giving Himself as a atoneing sacrifice for sinners came in centries earlier. How can I say that Isaiah 53 does not expound on the ministry of Jesus ?
How could He have arranged for His own crucifixion the way it happened in fulfillment of the prophecies ? How could He orchestrate these details to make it seem that He was the target of so many Old Testament prophecies.
If you're not familiar with these prophecies it may be easy to have the skeptical ignorance of bliss. Coincidence is not a strong argument.
So we have in the New Testament much more then a situation of "It is authoritative because it says it is authoritative."
You have far too many details outside of the control of the Man which lined up in such a way as to argue for fulfillment of prophecy by God.
You see, that is one of the advantages of having a book which took 1,600 years to complete. It can build up a track record of prophetic fulfillment.
There's this group of people. They are a rather large group. They worship the same god you do: the god of abraham. Except for one thing: they don't buy the whole jesus is god spiel. Perhaps you know what group of people I am talking about? Now that you do, how do you propose to tell me how you are so certain you haven't been tricked by some trickster to worship some false god (jeebus, in this case)?
(don't mind if I skip to the end of your sermon)
You seem to me to misunderstand many things I wrote here over the years.
Oh no, you've been quite clear in your hatred for yourself and your fellow man. You've made it crystal clear that you wake up every day and grovel for forgiveness at the feet of your invisible friend because you are a piece of shit because you think that's what he told you.
mindless trash talk about Dawkins, Hitchens and Darwin
You wanna know something funny? You will really laugh at this one. They don't dictate anyones moral compass. That's hilarious, innit?

"What can be asserted without proof, can be dismissed without proof."-Hitch.

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Message 72 of 110 (588360)
10-24-2010 11:56 AM
Reply to: Message 70 by Phat
10-24-2010 11:19 AM


Re: Serpant must NOT be the Devil then
Funny. If you replace "the devil" in that passage with "YHWH", it sounds exactly the same.
He was a murderer from the beginning
Who murdered more people in the bible: YHWH or "the devil"? And as jar pointed out, who told the truth in the garden?

"What can be asserted without proof, can be dismissed without proof."-Hitch.

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Message 74 of 110 (588363)
10-24-2010 12:16 PM
Reply to: Message 73 by jar
10-24-2010 12:04 PM


Re: Serpant must NOT be the Devil then
Ok. But as far as the particular passage in question is concerned, it could very well be construed as "the devil" saying YHWH is a liar and murderer, just juxtaposing the terms so as to lead christians to a false god. Why do we need to worry about the people who were around at the time it references?
I also find it funny how we (well, you all) are trying test the divinity of the bible.....by using bible passages.

"What can be asserted without proof, can be dismissed without proof."-Hitch.

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hooah212002
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Message 76 of 110 (588366)
10-24-2010 12:34 PM
Reply to: Message 75 by jar
10-24-2010 12:22 PM


Re: Serpant must NOT be the Devil then
Which might be relevant if I was trying to test the divinity of the Bible.
Is that not the topic of the thread? Or is divinity not synonymous with inspiration? Are we not questioning the "divine inspiration"?
But stop and think. If we were discussing any other story one of the very major issues would be the content of that story.
Perhaps, but it just seems to me to be awfully circular. It, to me, seems to boiling down to not much more than "well, this passage says it was god saying it so god must be saying it". Without outside evidence as to who said what, we are left with comparing passages, yes? Maybe I'm not digging deep enough.......

"What can be asserted without proof, can be dismissed without proof."-Hitch.

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