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DC85 Member (Idle past 255 days) Posts: 876 From: Richmond, Virginia USA Joined: |
This is up for debate. Not really unless you have evidence beyond the tired and absurd "It's complex therefore it was designed". If you do I'd love to have this debate.
You personally BELIEVE that God had nothing to do with it. I personally don't see why a god of some kind had to have anything to do with it. Very big difference. I'm sure many on here hold this position.
So I suppose if I threw a rock off a mountain, then hiked down, there would be a brand new Ford F-350 waiting for me at the bottom, If this happened I assure you I would rethink the super natural and god belief. This is not possible and this compared with observed natural processes is laughable.
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IchiBan Member (Idle past 5197 days) Posts: 88 Joined: |
No one knows when the flood was. including the Biblical scholars whom you like to quote. So your insistence of selecting a date is only a red herring so you can go trot out & say that you found no evidence of a flood at that time.
Also it is easy to notice that you try to place people in a double bind by the way you present your replies when there could other answers. Why is it easy to notice? because you do that in almost every answer you give. It is obvious that you have an agenda and you are obsessed with certain topics. And since scientists and researchers have been known to cook their data and salt the sites, I find your conclusions in those areas suspect and unconvincing. By the way the topic of this thread is or was 'problems with evolution' not anything to do with the flood.
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Coyote Member (Idle past 2366 days) Posts: 6117 Joined: |
No one knows when the flood was. including the Biblical scholars whom you like to quote. So your insistence of selecting a date is only a red herring so you can go trot out & say that you found no evidence of a flood at that time.
That's pretty convenient, having the largest historical event of all time being free-floating in time. Then you can always say, "Well, you looked in the wrong place." This silly flood has been placed anywhere from 4,000 years ago to 550 million years ago and beyond. Sorry, that's the way myths work, not scientifically verifiable events. The date of about 4,350 years ago is the one selected by biblical scholars. If you don't like that date, come up with a better one.
Also it is easy to notice that you try to place people in a double bind by the way you present your replies when there could other answers. Why is it easy to notice? because you do that in almost every answer you give.
Without examples this doesn't make any sense.
It is obvious that you have an agenda and you are obsessed with certain topics. And since scientists and researchers have been known to cook their data and salt the sites, I find your conclusions in those areas suspect and unconvincing.
I am an archaeologist and I regularly deal with soils that are 4,350 years old. I find the lack of flood evidence telling. Don't you?
By the way the topic of this thread is or was 'problems with evolution' not anything to do with the flood.
This is in Free For All. The normal rules don't apply. Religious belief does not constitute scientific evidence, nor does it convey scientific knowledge.
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barbara Member (Idle past 5062 days) Posts: 167 Joined: |
I am not disagreeing about the flood myth but I do wonder why pieces of seashells can be found everywhere on the planet.
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Coyote Member (Idle past 2366 days) Posts: 6117 Joined: |
I am not disagreeing about the flood myth but I do wonder why pieces of seashells can be found everywhere on the planet.
That is due to uplifting. It is a phenomenon that is well understood. The claim that these sea shells are related to a global flood has been refuted so often that it has been given a number:
Claim CC364 Religious belief does not constitute scientific evidence, nor does it convey scientific knowledge.
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ringo Member (Idle past 672 days) Posts: 20940 From: frozen wasteland Joined: |
barbara writes:
It's easier to lift a mountain slowly than to drown it quickly. I am not disagreeing about the flood myth but I do wonder why pieces of seashells can be found everywhere on the planet. "It appears that many of you turn to Hebrew to escape the English...." -- Joseppi
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dennis780 Member (Idle past 5036 days) Posts: 288 From: Alberta Joined: |
quote: So because my christian God is wrong, there cannot be any higher being?
quote: I am more than willing to discuss the Biblical God if you like. I have debated this many times. Though this subject is very tough to debate, because the information in the Bible is not accepted by evolutionists. There is physical evidence of biblical stories however. If you are game, I am too. If the Bible is truely the written word of God, then 100% of it must be true. If it is not, then it was not God directed, and Christianity is not 100% true. Then the question is, why put your faith and trust in a God that is not perfect? Again, I'm game if you are.
quote: If natural selection and macroevolution over time is true, then your entire belief system is based on just-in-time coincidences, hahahaha. Unless evolution was directed???
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dennis780 Member (Idle past 5036 days) Posts: 288 From: Alberta Joined: |
quote: One, many people know when the flood was, if they read their Bible, including myself. If you bothered to look at the bible for even 30 minutes, you notice that every man written about gives their age. And Adam lived an hundred and thirty years, and begat a son in his own likeness, after his image; and called his name Seth... Genesis 5:3 And Seth lived an hundred and five years, and begat EnosGenesis 5:6 And Enos lived ninety years, and begat CainanGenesis 5:9 And Cainan lived seventy years, and begat MahalaleelGenesis 5:12 And Mahalaleel lived sixty and five years, and begat JaredGenesis 5:15 And so on...using these dates, we work forward. I could list all the ages, but it would take ages, no pun intended, but the biblical flood took place 1656 years from Creation. 600 of Noahs years before the flood as 6000 (1 = 1000 as written in Genesis) is the year 10990 + 23 years of judgement is 11013 bc.(23 years are sidenote, but relevent). Noah lived 350 years after the flood. Again adding 3500 years to 4990 comes to 1490 bc. that is important because in 1447 bc The exodus from Egypt started and in 1447 that would put Moses at 40 years old and Aaron his brother at 43. 1490 minus 43 is 1447 bc. , the year of the exodus. Now take 1490 bc and add 2011 ad you will get 300, back to Noah (its 3501 but minus 1 for the 0 year between bc and ad) there it is 110013 bc to 2011 ad. I win.
quote: Is that a question? So the answer above was a redirect. You win. Because you are evolutionist, you must win.
quote: No, this topic is listed under free-for-all, giving way to many different subjects. And I have a problem with evolution, so I should be allowed to post, and you should not.
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dennis780 Member (Idle past 5036 days) Posts: 288 From: Alberta Joined: |
quote: Due to uplifting? Not by me. Do you have a reference so I can read up on it? Talk.origins has a claim number for everything. So now talk.origins is your source for information, but 'creos' websites are not valid. You are allowed to use information from websites that have a evolutionist bias, but 'creos' websites are full of lies. Hmm. You got me. Also, my point was that sea shells are found worldwide, not just on mountain tops. The eqyptian stones carved and used for the pyramids have sea shells in them. How did sea shells get in the desert?
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frako Member Posts: 2932 From: slovenija Joined: |
How did sea shells get in the desert? god did it yust kidding evolution did it no they got there trough the uplifting of the continents, those places where once the sea flor, then some continental plates pressed together and slowly rose those places above water.
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dennis780 Member (Idle past 5036 days) Posts: 288 From: Alberta Joined: |
quote: Hmm. Some plates? Pressed together? I'm going to assume that you are talking about the Arabian and African techtonic plates, since these are the only two that meet anywhere near egypt. Heres my problem with your answer. You didn't give any resources or references supporting your claim. And the plates aren't 'pushing' anything up...because they are moving away from each other every year:
quote: The african plate moves north-east at around 2.15 cm (+/-)/year, while the arabian plate moves north at about 4.65 cm (+/-)/year. The arabian plate is moving away at more than twice the speed. So, again, how did sea shells end up in the desert?
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Panda Member (Idle past 3973 days) Posts: 2688 From: UK Joined: |
dennis780 writes:
From YOUR link:
So, again, how did sea shells end up in the desert?quote:
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dennis780 Member (Idle past 5036 days) Posts: 288 From: Alberta Joined: |
quote: And??
quote: Continental uplifting does NOT occur in Egypt. If uplifting does not occur, sea shells should not be found in the desert. Subsidance occurs on almost all edges of most techtonic plates. The exact opposite of uplift. The rates of subsidance depend on the deepth of the surrounding water and the thermal regime of the mantle beneath. There is no evidence that in my link that suggests 'uplift' or 'sea shells' in the crusts of either plate.
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ringo Member (Idle past 672 days) Posts: 20940 From: frozen wasteland Joined:
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dennis780 writes:
Try Googling "continental uplift egypt". Continental uplifting does NOT occur in Egypt. "It appears that many of you turn to Hebrew to escape the English...." -- Joseppi
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Dr Adequate Member Posts: 16113 Joined: |
Continental uplifting does NOT occur in Egypt. If uplifting does not occur, sea shells should not be found in the desert. That was ... weird.
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