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dennis780 Member (Idle past 4798 days) Posts: 288 From: Alberta Joined: |
quote: Indirectly, all life came from a pool of 'hot' goo.
quote: So again, I ask, what is your opinion on how the first organism arised?
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dennis780 Member (Idle past 4798 days) Posts: 288 From: Alberta Joined: |
quote: Time time time. It's always the same from every evolutionist. Just give it time. Anything is possible with TIME. I bet you have a lifetime subscription to TIME magazine...haha.
quote: Good, then tell your evolutionist friend to answer my direct question.
quote: This explained so much Doc. You replaced 'How' with 'Why'. A common problem with evolutionists.
quote: 1. Do you always take things so literal? 2. Do you laugh? But now that we know origins are important, we can get back to explaining them, instead of using intellectual attacks to support our viewpoints, and use science instead.
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dennis780 Member (Idle past 4798 days) Posts: 288 From: Alberta Joined: |
quote: Wrong, we can. You just asked a stupid question, as I wrote in my last response. You need to be specific when you ask for the complexity of something with many variables. How do you measure earth? It's easy if you could be specific. circumference?Distance? Mass? Materials? Shape? Rotation? Speed? All you need to do is ask questions that make sense. I would know, ID's have been doing it for years now.
quote: Wrong. Complexity is evidence of a designer. Though it is not PROOF, as so many evolutionists attack, it is evidence for. See what evolutionists want is something so concrete, that it cannot be mistaken or interpretted any other way but an intelligent designer. But the ToE has no such evidence, in that every fossil, experiment and theory in support of has been argued quite well for the contrary. It's not the evidence for evolution that makes it wrong, it's the lack of. Off topic, back to design stuff.
quote: Though I'm sure you enjoy sounding smart, it's only you that hears the tune. And even if I did say something stupid, I sincerly doubt that ID's worldwide would collapse and cry out, "WHY!!!!!!!!!!!?!?!??!" I'm an oilfield man, with an opinion. There are far more intelligent people out there making far better arguements for ID than me. And you can't even manage to convince me. You are the only evidence I can find of a half man/ape thus far.
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dennis780 Member (Idle past 4798 days) Posts: 288 From: Alberta Joined: |
quote: True, but I'm basing the complexity of the information on the grounds that the information, though from independant sources (different mRNA strands, codon sequences, etc.) work together in common directions. DNA for eye structure comes from many different DNA sources, but all complete a single task. If they all worked independently, then we would be closer to a much simpler, "functional information" interpretation.
quote: sequence length has much less to do with overall complexity, but it is true that longer sequences of nucleotides would be harder to form useful information, but only if evolution is true. If ID is true, the differing lengths of sequences would have been almost no different to create.
quote: I'm not asking anyone to do that. I'm simply defining genetic complexity, so whoever I was writing to could carry on with the topic.
quote: I have no idea who JBR is. The only two people I can manage to keep straight for now are you and Dr. Adequate. I just respond when someone responds to me. But no. The hypothetical person who we are discussing mistakes the tree for being simple, and assumes natural origin, and the arrow complex, and assumes design. Why?
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dennis780 Member (Idle past 4798 days) Posts: 288 From: Alberta Joined: |
quote: Likely to be formed in nature? No.Function and purpose? Yes. Co-operation with other parts to function? Yes. Designed.
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dennis780 Member (Idle past 4798 days) Posts: 288 From: Alberta Joined: |
quote: Fruit fly experiments?
quote: I NEVER claimed anything close. I said 99.9% of mutations are neutral or negative, and that is true. There are DOCUMENTED instances of beneficial mutations occuring. Non issue for me. ID's and evolutionists alike, stop putting words in my mouth. Though I am not convinced that random genetic mutation caused all diverse life today, there are documented cases of beneficial mutation. JBR.
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dennis780 Member (Idle past 4798 days) Posts: 288 From: Alberta Joined: |
quote: You are funny. I think I'll keep you as a pet. You are using God's light to shine science. You are also breathing God's air. A man was talking to God one day, and said, "You may be all powerful, but I bet I could build something far better than anything ever on earth. Better than you could possibly imagine." God replies, "Go for it." The man begins working. He starts digging a hole, for the foundation of his masterpiece, when God interupts him... "What are you doing?" God said. "Digging a foundation for my masterpiece!" He replies. "I can see that" God says, "But you are using my dirt." You offered no science in your message, so I will do the same. The response to how to measure earth is in this thread, back a little, to which I refuse to write twice. Keep up or keep out.
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dennis780 Member (Idle past 4798 days) Posts: 288 From: Alberta Joined: |
quote: Not with the genetic material used for your grey matter, agreed. But if DNA has no function, how are you reading this, interpreting this, and responding to this?
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subbie Member (Idle past 1276 days) Posts: 3509 Joined: |
Likely to be formed in nature? No. Function and purpose? Yes. Co-operation with other parts to function? Yes. Designed. A wonderful response. Clear, concise, and consistent with the positions you've previously laid out. I applaud your effort. Unfortunately, your conclusion is incorrect. The antenna arrangement was not designed. It was a result of random changes. Ridicule is the only weapon which can be used against unintelligible propositions. -- Thomas Jefferson We see monsters where science shows us windmills. -- Phat It has always struck me as odd that fundies devote so much time and effort into trying to find a naturalistic explanation for their mythical flood, while looking for magical explanations for things that actually happened. -- Dr. Adequate ...creationists have a great way to detect fraud and it doesn't take 8 or 40 years or even a scientific degree to spot the fraud--'if it disagrees with the bible then it is wrong'.... -- archaeologist
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Omnivorous Member Posts: 3985 From: Adirondackia Joined: Member Rating: 7.2 |
So I need not bring up the chariot wheels found at the bottom of the Red Sea, along a sand bar the stretches across it, right where the Bible claims Moses parted the sea with his staff, and the Egyptians were consumed by it. But how does the sandbar traverse the central median trench? Edited by Omnivorous, : I mean, it IS kind of deep. Dost thou prate, rogue? -Cassio Real things always push back.-William James
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dennis780 Member (Idle past 4798 days) Posts: 288 From: Alberta Joined: |
quote: You wouldn't be an avid lottery player would you?
quote: GOOD, WTF is it. Can we all stop side stepping and dancing like a friday night cowboy club playing Cadillac Ranch and explain the origin of the matter required for water?!?
quote: Evolution explains the origin of many things, including genetic material, and individual and diversity of species, but excludes the origin of the first living organism(s).
quote: You are avoiding questions like a bulimic, self-mutilating cannibal overdosed on Red Bull. Before you eat, and puke yourself to death, how does that sound for:
quote: ??? BTW, you can attack my character all you want, I asked you very specific relevant questions, to which you avoid. I'm moving on it other posts, where at least I have to defend my position, rather than my character. Mutate and be less fit.
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dennis780 Member (Idle past 4798 days) Posts: 288 From: Alberta Joined: |
quote: Page not found – Pinkoski.com You lose.
quote: You are the one that went off topic and attacked those that accept certain aspects of the Bible as literal interpretations of historical events. YOU went off topic, and YOU are wrong. Stick to the subject now. I don't want to throw away my time talking off topic. Though even on topic, talking with you is the same thing.
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dennis780 Member (Idle past 4798 days) Posts: 288 From: Alberta Joined: |
quote: What? Google earth can see underwater now? F*ing cool. But since the Bible says a great wind separated the waters, and exposed the sand, one could assume that the sand bar is under water...which it is, between Nuweiba and Midian, in the Gulf of Aqaba. Goodbye.
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dennis780 Member (Idle past 4798 days) Posts: 288 From: Alberta Joined: |
quote: Perfect. This is yet a prime example of how someone can misinterpret physical information to draw incorrect conclusions. In order to make a intelligent assumption, I would have gained more insight by asking a mechanical engineer about the antenna, and it's proper shape and function. More information means more accurate conclusion. As science advances, we understand even once thought simple organisms are amazingly complex, and thus tilts evidence for design. I got one. http://www.avland.co.uk/sony/ers7/ers7lrg.jpg Designed or evolved?
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subbie Member (Idle past 1276 days) Posts: 3509 Joined: |
Perfect. This is yet a prime example of how someone can misinterpret physical information to draw incorrect conclusions. In order to make a intelligent assumption, I would have gained more insight by asking a mechanical engineer about the antenna, and it's proper shape and function. More information means more accurate conclusion. As science advances, we understand even once thought simple organisms are amazingly complex, and thus tilts evidence for design. I'm sorry, but I have no idea what point you are making. Ridicule is the only weapon which can be used against unintelligible propositions. -- Thomas Jefferson We see monsters where science shows us windmills. -- Phat It has always struck me as odd that fundies devote so much time and effort into trying to find a naturalistic explanation for their mythical flood, while looking for magical explanations for things that actually happened. -- Dr. Adequate ...creationists have a great way to detect fraud and it doesn't take 8 or 40 years or even a scientific degree to spot the fraud--'if it disagrees with the bible then it is wrong'.... -- archaeologist
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