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Author Topic:   Eternal Life (thanks, but no thanks)
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Message 161 of 296 (586971)
10-15-2010 10:00 PM
Reply to: Message 158 by Bolder-dash
10-15-2010 8:35 PM


The concept is that its an experience that awaits you after you die, that you can't know about yet, but that is a state of eternal bliss , eternal satisfaction, eternal peace.

Speaking as a Christian, that sure sounds like hell.

I cannot imagine any sane person that would put up with that for any extended period, much less eternity. Of course what you describe could be some drug induced coma or maybe the result of some advanced hallucinogen and imposed by force by some truly evil critter but certainly not something that a sane individual might choose.

I perhaps could imagine some eternity where you get to struggle, face increasingly difficult challenges, with failures and successes, always challenged, made to question, filled with doubt and uncertainty; but even there I would hope there would be extended periods of unconsciousness.

The idea of eternal bliss, eternal satisfaction, eternal peace may be great for preteens dreaming of their first love, but not something anyone post adolescent would enjoy.


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Message 181 of 296 (587031)
10-16-2010 12:09 PM
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10-16-2010 11:43 AM


Re: Questions regarding eternity
Phat writes:

What I don't understand would be the failures...the doubts and uncertainties.

Those are part of learning. They are essential parts of success, enjoyment, expansion.

Phat writes:

Would we not have a better communion and understanding with GOD at this point? Whats the point of learning more about the universe, with the ability to journey farther, deeper, and longer...without the primary goal of Heaven, (aka eternal life version) which is to know and commune with God?

See, that makes little sense. It is more like being part of some 'posse', some cortege.

Phat writes:

Surely you don't expect Her to invisibly sit on the sidelines and cheer Her little created worms ability to grow and explore for no reason other than to know more.

Surely you don't expect GOD to entertain you, become your court jester, your fool?


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Message 185 of 296 (587041)
10-16-2010 3:12 PM
Reply to: Message 184 by Buzsaw
10-16-2010 2:59 PM


Re: Eternal Life In The Biblical Heaven Good; Biblical Alternative Bad
Buz writes:

Should one loath streets of gold, sunless and unceasing light energetic life needless of rest, never ending blissful life in a perfect environment with delicious life sustaining food without work, having authority over cities, no wars or bloodshed, mansions to dwell in and all of the ammenities not mentioned?

Hell yes. That definitely sounds like the wet dreams of an juvenile.


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Message 190 of 296 (587047)
10-16-2010 3:34 PM
Reply to: Message 188 by Buzsaw
10-16-2010 3:24 PM


Eternal Life In The Biblical Heaven as described by buz would be hell.
The same Biblical record which you espouse as reliable when it alleges a man was raised from the dead is the record that alleges what I've cited to be true.

Aren't you being inconsistent in picking and choosing which miracles to espouse relating to the same man, Jesus?

The Bible is filled with fantasy and even poetic passages. What you describe might be fine as I mention, as some preteens fantasy wet dream, but it would be absolute hell as well as absurd in reality.

The problem is when folk take passages from the Bible that are fantasy or poetry or folktale or fable or parody and think they represent reality.

What you describe would not be a miracle, it would be a travesty, the creation of some very very immature goddlet if it were real.


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Message 195 of 296 (587052)
10-16-2010 3:53 PM
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10-16-2010 3:45 PM


Re: Eternal Life In The Biblical Heaven as described by buz would be hell.
Buz writes:

How do you pick and choose the resurrection of Jesus from what it says about his lordship after the resurrection. Why, in your view, is the resurrection of Jesus fact and his alleged future life fiction?

I look at what is actually written. Is the story written as poetry, fiction, propaganda, imagery, song? Then, in the case of what you describe as Heaven, I look to see if even if true, would it be something I'd want.

What you describe, even if true, would be really boring.

I find it hard to believe that any real god could think what you describe would not be unbearable.

And of coursed, I have never claimed that Jesus resurrection is fact.

Edited by jar, : fix syntax


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Message 218 of 296 (587167)
10-17-2010 12:16 PM
Reply to: Message 217 by Modulous
10-17-2010 10:46 AM


Re: unattractive
It's interesting that it seems Buz is using the Borg like fantasy from Revelation 21 as the basis of his heaven.

quote:
9One of the seven angels who had the seven bowls full of the seven last plagues came and said to me, "Come, I will show you the bride, the wife of the Lamb." 10And he carried me away in the Spirit to a mountain great and high, and showed me the Holy City, Jerusalem, coming down out of heaven from God. 11It shone with the glory of God, and its brilliance was like that of a very precious jewel, like a jasper, clear as crystal. 12It had a great, high wall with twelve gates, and with twelve angels at the gates. On the gates were written the names of the twelve tribes of Israel. 13There were three gates on the east, three on the north, three on the south and three on the west. 14The wall of the city had twelve foundations, and on them were the names of the twelve apostles of the Lamb.

15The angel who talked with me had a measuring rod of gold to measure the city, its gates and its walls. 16The city was laid out like a square, as long as it was wide. He measured the city with the rod and found it to be 12,000 stadia in length, and as wide and high as it is long. 17He measured its wall and it was 144 cubits thick, by man's measurement, which the angel was using. 18The wall was made of jasper, and the city of pure gold, as pure as glass. 19The foundations of the city walls were decorated with every kind of precious stone. The first foundation was jasper, the second sapphire, the third chalcedony, the fourth emerald, 20the fifth sardonyx, the sixth carnelian, the seventh chrysolite, the eighth beryl, the ninth topaz, the tenth chrysoprase, the eleventh jacinth, and the twelfth amethyst. 21The twelve gates were twelve pearls, each gate made of a single pearl. The great street of the city was of pure gold, like transparent glass.

22I did not see a temple in the city, because the Lord God Almighty and the Lamb are its temple. 23The city does not need the sun or the moon to shine on it, for the glory of God gives it light, and the Lamb is its lamp. 24The nations will walk by its light, and the kings of the earth will bring their splendor into it. 25On no day will its gates ever be shut, for there will be no night there. 26The glory and honor of the nations will be brought into it. 27Nothing impure will ever enter it, nor will anyone who does what is shameful or deceitful, but only those whose names are written in the Lamb's book of life.


It's a pretty classic example of numerology again playing with the number 12 in different formats.

It's a fantasy of some great Borg cube coming down to rest on the Earth.


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jar
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Message 220 of 296 (587330)
10-18-2010 12:56 PM
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10-18-2010 1:41 AM


Re: unattractive
Its fictional magic of course, but its obvious even the writers didn't fully comprehend what they were claiming.

It is stylistic, an example of Apocalyptic Literature, and was meant for the audience of the day. It is not and never was meant as factual.


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Message 228 of 296 (588327)
10-23-2010 8:47 PM
Reply to: Message 227 by crashfrog
10-23-2010 8:33 PM


Re: unattractive
And also have parents abusing the child by threats and stories of terror.


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Message 263 of 296 (596517)
12-15-2010 12:14 PM
Reply to: Message 262 by nwr
12-15-2010 12:11 PM


Re: What is 'science of the gaps'?
nwr writes:

They are only saying that theology doesn't have answers - or at least doesn't have real answers.

I'm not sure that is really correct either. Might they be saying that Theology does not have answers that can be tested using the scientific method?


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Message 271 of 296 (596620)
12-15-2010 10:32 PM
Reply to: Message 270 by Just being real
12-15-2010 10:23 PM


We know it shall be glorious beyond all comprehension.

Forever?

Sorry but that just sounds dull.


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