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jar Member (Idle past 422 days) Posts: 34026 From: Texas!! Joined: |
The concept is that its an experience that awaits you after you die, that you can't know about yet, but that is a state of eternal bliss , eternal satisfaction, eternal peace. Speaking as a Christian, that sure sounds like hell. I cannot imagine any sane person that would put up with that for any extended period, much less eternity. Of course what you describe could be some drug induced coma or maybe the result of some advanced hallucinogen and imposed by force by some truly evil critter but certainly not something that a sane individual might choose. I perhaps could imagine some eternity where you get to struggle, face increasingly difficult challenges, with failures and successes, always challenged, made to question, filled with doubt and uncertainty; but even there I would hope there would be extended periods of unconsciousness. The idea of eternal bliss, eternal satisfaction, eternal peace may be great for preteens dreaming of their first love, but not something anyone post adolescent would enjoy. Anyone so limited that they can only spell a word one way is severely handicapped!
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jar Member (Idle past 422 days) Posts: 34026 From: Texas!! Joined:
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Phat writes: What I don't understand would be the failures...the doubts and uncertainties. Those are part of learning. They are essential parts of success, enjoyment, expansion.
Phat writes: Would we not have a better communion and understanding with GOD at this point? Whats the point of learning more about the universe, with the ability to journey farther, deeper, and longer...without the primary goal of Heaven, (aka eternal life version) which is to know and commune with God? See, that makes little sense. It is more like being part of some 'posse', some cortege.
Phat writes: Surely you don't expect Her to invisibly sit on the sidelines and cheer Her little created worms ability to grow and explore for no reason other than to know more. Surely you don't expect GOD to entertain you, become your court jester, your fool? Anyone so limited that they can only spell a word one way is severely handicapped!
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jar Member (Idle past 422 days) Posts: 34026 From: Texas!! Joined: |
Buz writes: Should one loath streets of gold, sunless and unceasing light energetic life needless of rest, never ending blissful life in a perfect environment with delicious life sustaining food without work, having authority over cities, no wars or bloodshed, mansions to dwell in and all of the ammenities not mentioned? Hell yes. That definitely sounds like the wet dreams of an juvenile. Anyone so limited that they can only spell a word one way is severely handicapped!
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jar Member (Idle past 422 days) Posts: 34026 From: Texas!! Joined: |
The same Biblical record which you espouse as reliable when it alleges a man was raised from the dead is the record that alleges what I've cited to be true. Aren't you being inconsistent in picking and choosing which miracles to espouse relating to the same man, Jesus? The Bible is filled with fantasy and even poetic passages. What you describe might be fine as I mention, as some preteens fantasy wet dream, but it would be absolute hell as well as absurd in reality. The problem is when folk take passages from the Bible that are fantasy or poetry or folktale or fable or parody and think they represent reality. What you describe would not be a miracle, it would be a travesty, the creation of some very very immature goddlet if it were real. Anyone so limited that they can only spell a word one way is severely handicapped!
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jar Member (Idle past 422 days) Posts: 34026 From: Texas!! Joined: |
Buz writes: How do you pick and choose the resurrection of Jesus from what it says about his lordship after the resurrection. Why, in your view, is the resurrection of Jesus fact and his alleged future life fiction? I look at what is actually written. Is the story written as poetry, fiction, propaganda, imagery, song? Then, in the case of what you describe as Heaven, I look to see if even if true, would it be something I'd want. What you describe, even if true, would be really boring. I find it hard to believe that any real god could think what you describe would not be unbearable. And of coursed, I have never claimed that Jesus resurrection is fact. Edited by jar, : fix syntax Anyone so limited that they can only spell a word one way is severely handicapped!
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jar Member (Idle past 422 days) Posts: 34026 From: Texas!! Joined: |
It's interesting that it seems Buz is using the Borg like fantasy from Revelation 21 as the basis of his heaven.
quote: It's a pretty classic example of numerology again playing with the number 12 in different formats. It's a fantasy of some great Borg cube coming down to rest on the Earth.
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jar Member (Idle past 422 days) Posts: 34026 From: Texas!! Joined: |
Its fictional magic of course, but its obvious even the writers didn't fully comprehend what they were claiming. It is stylistic, an example of Apocalyptic Literature, and was meant for the audience of the day. It is not and never was meant as factual. Anyone so limited that they can only spell a word one way is severely handicapped!
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jar Member (Idle past 422 days) Posts: 34026 From: Texas!! Joined: |
And also have parents abusing the child by threats and stories of terror.
Anyone so limited that they can only spell a word one way is severely handicapped!
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jar Member (Idle past 422 days) Posts: 34026 From: Texas!! Joined: |
nwr writes: They are only saying that theology doesn't have answers - or at least doesn't have real answers. I'm not sure that is really correct either. Might they be saying that Theology does not have answers that can be tested using the scientific method? Anyone so limited that they can only spell a word one way is severely handicapped!
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jar Member (Idle past 422 days) Posts: 34026 From: Texas!! Joined: |
We know it shall be glorious beyond all comprehension. Forever? Sorry but that just sounds dull. Anyone so limited that they can only spell a word one way is severely handicapped!
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